Stay Classy, Obama's Safe School Czar

[Patroklos]

You know a lot of oddball adolescents, Patroklos.

They are as statistically imaginary as these bum ruptured freaks Shewkan believes are found on every street corner

 

[Shekwan]

Yeah there is, as it is a complete waste of resources that has nothing to do with sex but rather catering to a barely existant subset of sexual deviance.

On what are you basing the idea that fisting is uncommon?

Kids will be kids! They are going to do it anyway so we should educate them how to do so safetly, right?

Yeah they will, so we best educate them on why they shouldn't perfoming immoral acts on animals, and teach them how to safely perform moral acts like fisting. Some will learn, some will not. But thats how education goes.

What about the 14 year old why got e.coli from that blumpkin? What about that 14 year old that got lime disease from deer sex? What about the 14 year old that electrocuted himself during BDSM? What about the 14 year old that suffocated during asphyxiation play?

Yeah, its important to prevent this too. Make the information available as to why all the above are dangerous, instead of just sticking to the mainstream.

Are we going to teach all of this in your crusade for accommodating every possible sexual pursuit?

It would be quite difficult to do that, but to acknowledge the existence of the need for education in unorthodox sexual pursuits is certainly a step forward? You wouldn't have address everything, just make the information available.

 

[JollyRoger]

Do you feel safe now?

I don't know about you, but a 14 year old's knowledge of fisting is not a factor in how safe I feel.

 

[Patroklos]

It would be quite difficult to do that, but to acknowledge the existence of the need for education in unorthodox sexual pursuits is certainly a step forward? You wouldn't have address everything, just make the information available.

I can't wait until your 14 year old is forced to watch crush videos. I am sure that will be an awesome dinner conversation. Is it going to be you or your wife that explains the Dirty Sanchez and the Angry Dolphin? You are so enlightened!

 

[Formaldehyde]

It appears that fisting is quite secondary in the supposed us of this particular 'kit', as claimed from a 2001 conference:

Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts distributed kits for fisting and oral sex. They contained a single plastic glove, a package of K-Y lubricant and instructions on how to make a “dental dam” out of the material.

The instructions explained how to cut up the glove with scissors until all that remains is a rubber rectangle with the “thumb” portion protruding from the middle. “Use the thumb space for your tongue,” say the directions.

The label on the ziplocked package says, “protects against STD’s,” and bears the Planned Parenthood logo and phone number.

GLSEN (Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network) got into trouble last year for hosting a workshop that gave young teens explicit how-to instructions on homosexual sex practices such as “fisting.” The ensuing scandal was subsequently dubbed “Fistgate.”

Regarding “dental dams,” Dr. John Diggs, a specialist in internal medicine who lectures about STDs, said that the kits create a false sense of security. “I’ve written a brochure about this whole thing,” he said. “The way I describe it is, I ask ‘How many people want to take a bite of a sandwich without taking the wrapper off?’ ‘How many people want to suck on balloons?’ Nobody does.”

Unless you have cuts on your hands, I really don't see how you are going to contract STDs from fisting. And even that is quite a stretch (pardon the pun). And many "fisters" use latex gloves instead of plastic for quite obvious reasons. So it looks like it wasn't a "fisting kit" at all, although the glove could certainly be used for such purposes if you were really desperate.

Not too surprisingly, the 'source' for this description is qute obviously homophobic, and it clearly attempts to highlight the "fisting" aspects so it can call the conference "Fistgate II":

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/apfist~1.htm

Fistgate II Teaches More Sexual Activity for Young ‘Homosexuals’

Although Tufts University was able to claim ignorance about the event last year, they obviously became complicit this year when they welcomed the conference back and provided the security muscle to keep the strategy sessions and indoctrination of the children running smoothly.

The Boston Globe gave the official spin to the conference in its Sunday edition under the headline, “Alert against threats to gay teens.” The first paragraph repeated the canard about suicide and safety in schools. The conference, said the Globe, was merely an attempt to overcome homophobia.

Homophobia is alive and well in the US, especially amongst the far-right? Gee, what a surprise.

 

[RedRalph]

You don't have much sexual experiance I am guessing. Do you imagine that fisting in any way represents the intereaction between any statistically relevant number of people?

Hang on, how could you possibly know this? I mean I know you're in the navy and I've heard it's popular amongst gays, but are you actually claiming to know how prevelant fisting is?

 

[JollyRoger]

Hang on, how could you possibly know this? I mean I know you're in the navy and I've heard it's popular amongst gays, but are you actually claiming to know how prevelant fisting is?

Perhaps he's getting turned down a lot when he brings it up.

 

[Shekwan]

I can't wait until your 14 year old is forced to watch cruch videos. I am sure that will be an awesome dinner conversation. Is it going to be you or your wife that explains the Dirty Sanchez and the Angry Dolphin? You are so enlightened!

Yeah it would be.

I don't see why I'd have to explain things to my kid, the safety Czar has that covered.

Now thats another reason to like this guys methods - awkward conversations are avoided.

 

[Patroklos]

Your right RRW. Lets do an experiment.

Has anyone on this board ever fisted someone or been fisted. Not the multiple finger shocker BS, but the whole hand to the wrist. Vaginal or anal so nobody is left out.

Seriously RRW, are you actually contesting this?

 

[Shekwan]

Oh come on! You know right well that CFCOT would not be a fair place to do such a poll.

 

[RedRalph]

Your right RRW. Lets do an experiment.

Has anyone on this board ever fisted someone or been fisted. Not the multible finger shocker BS, but the whole hand to the wrist. Vaginal or anal so nobody is left out.

Seriously RRW, are you actually contesting this?

We can't discuss it here, but it's not unheard of, and given the fact that you are from a conservative background and spend most of your time on a boat it may be more common than you think.

Honestly, I have no idea how much it happens and you may well be right, but frankly I'm not going to take your assumptions as gospel.

FWIW the idea repulses me, be it with men or women.

 

[Bill3000]

That's hilarious. No, you're right. People having sex doesn't cost society a dime, nor does it damage its fabric.

The only fabric being damaged is skeletal muscle tissue.

 

[Phlegmak]

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[Syterion]

I don't see the big deal at all. A few decades ago, if someone was teaching a workshop on safe oral sex with federal dollars, it would have been an outrage. It's the same for this now. I don't think fisting is so ridiculously abhorrent that it must be discouraged, nor do I think it is for me to decide how people have sex. But if people have sex, it ought to be safe, and that is what this program aimed to do. As for statistically relevant numbers of people - who cares if no one fists? They wouldn't have found the program useful then. And to be honest - 400 people between 14-21 in the Boston area seems like an underestimate for how many would or have engaged in fisting. I don't think someone can make a legitimate argument for discouraging non-dangerous sexual practices

If your problem was that tax dollars paid for sexual education, then you have a problem with the entire public school system in the states. If you have a problem with this specific kind of sexual education, you are attempting to decide what is sexually appropriate and inappropriate and frankly that's really not up to you. And it is high time that GLBT people have resources sexual education, and that they can feel comfortable with their sexuality. If you can't feel comfortable with their sexuality, grow up and adapt to the world around you.

Lastly, the article was highly sensational and tried to argue emotionally using people's base reactions. Not good journalism.

Just the fingers? You prude. ELBOW OR BUST!

To be honest, it's probably elbow and bust.

 

[Karalysia]

I see nothing wrong with this. A component of sex ed programs is how to engage in safe STD free intercourse. We already give out condoms in schools and teach how to engage in safe vaginal, anal, and oral sex. We must account for other sexual practices also. Not teaching how to engage in fisting is discriminatory against the gay community and impacts heterosexuals also. I remember when I was in school we were told that if we chose to use sex toys we must be sure to sterilize them and ensure they were sanitary.

 

[JollyRoger]

Levi and Bristol could have benefitted from this.

 

[Japanrocks12]

Do you feel safe now?

now that people are being encouraged to have wild and unconventional sex? absolutely.

 

[IglooDame]

Just the fingers? You prude. ELBOW OR BUST!

Elbow, sure, but bust? You mean up past the shoulder, or some other way to get the mammary in there?

 

[Merkinball]

I don't know about you, but a 14 year old's knowledge of fisting is not a factor in how safe I feel.

Well then it's off to the FEMA camp for you my friend!

 

[Babbler]

Thanks to the controversy, I bet all the kids are going hands over fists to see what the fuss is about and see this exhibit.