North King said:What's the point of it, Xen? Realism, dramatic tension, and having a nice means of putting an empire to death up my sleeve if anyone gets too annoying.
then smite them you dont have to kill the rest of us in the process
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then smite them you dont have to kill the rest of us in the process
Oruc
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i still think slaughtering huge swathes of your population is the best option
Cuivienen
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Xen, your ignoring the simpler fact that an Iron Age Ravenna wouldn't know anything about the plague. Sure, they'd hear rumors, but nothing conclusive until the first Ravennans start dying. In any case, many of the measures you propose would bankrupt an Iron Age government. (Covered aqueducts? In the Iron age? Maybe in the Imperial Age.)
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Xen said:then smite them you dont have to kill the rest of us in the process
You have to have some souls availible for reincarnation.
Cuivienen said:
"imperial age" is just somthign made up for the NES's the first aquaducts appear in Persia, but were then idipendentlly made ona grander scale by soem greek cities, who actually tunnedl through a mountian to get thier fresh water; the classic aquaduct seems to have been based in theory on what the greeks were doing, but the Romans choose a more practicle (and as it turns out, more impressive looking) way to do it; as for disease, the ancient people knew surprsinglly alot about disease, how it spreads, and effective remedies for it; the ancient Egyptians are a fair example, soem reserch will show they were quite advanced in thie rmedicinal practices, and that was in the bronze age; and its only in past few years that some roman medical practices, such as using silver staples, instead of stitches is far more hygenic; its a pity so many records regarding the subject have been lost during the middle ages
they coudl have aided europe in retineign the old Roman cities with 1,000,000+ populations in them.@NK- speaking fo trade, woudl syria now classify as a luxury trade route? it has acees to luxuries from a famr corner of the world, such as Inscense, and the population of the area that produces those as a local commodity likewise woudl find Ravennic wines and other trade goods as luxuries... so whats the verdict?
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Xen said:
Most parts of Syria that you mention (the new ones) aren't really integrated into the nation yet, and the products from Syria proper and Egypt are so common now that they could hardly be called "luxuries".
North King said:
I wouldnt have called them that to begin with, because they were to close; lower arabia though... far away enough and a radically different climate so that wines woudl be a very nic ecommodity (primarilly because they will end up so good in Arabia; the longer wine ages, (generally) the better it is; the long huals to Mali or Arabia result in, by quirk of fate, wines that are more luxuirous then those that Syria/Egypt get.
once integrated, the far portions of that nation could easilly be a lux trade route, IMO.
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Faisons Fire. Long had the military known of its existence, yet never had they put it to use. Idiot generals of the past. It was the greatest gift of the Eight Faces to Armenia, and yet no one had ever had the brains to use it! A disgrace, a disgrace indeed.
He himself had not known of the existence of Faisons Fire until recently. The fortified towns in the north rarely saw the gaudiness of the carnivals of the southern metropolises, and all was stark and somber on the wall. Though he had commanded the Northern Guard ever since the Cimmerians broke through, he had no given himself any leisure time to visit the south. To command the Northern Wall was to sit at an eternal vigil, or so he saw it. And it was because of his vigilance that the most recent Scythian offensive had been nipped in the bud and the lowlands of Georgia and Armenia beyond kept safe.
But the King-Emperor had called for his services away from the wall, and so he had come, nearly a year past, to the capital city, bustling Ani of the ancients. And while he attended Imperial balls and waltzed with the noble women of the court, he also drunk in the lower entertainment of Ani the carnivals.
You could find anything at a carnival in Ani, or so it was said. Spices from lands so distant that not even the Indians had a name for them, silks from beyond the great steppes, beautiful workings of copper and bronze brought by Ravennese merchants who had in turn purchased them from peoples farther to the west. Exotic Indian, Deccanese and Gangan dancers, gold of a redder hue than that mined in Armenia from the coasts of Sumal, all could be found in a carnival at Ani. However, what most interested him was not the dancers or the silks or the spices, but a stall towards the back where an old woman claimed to possess eternal flame. Faisons Fire, she called it, fire of the Smith.
While those around him, members of the Imperial court, sniffed at the pyrotechnics and proclaimed it banal compared to the exotic goods surrounding, he was intrigued. He approached the old, stooped woman.
From where does this Faisons Fire come?
It comes from the sea, from the Caspian, my lord. It is washed onto shore and soaks into the sand.
Fire from the sea?
Yes, it burns even in the water, my lord. Tar, they call the unlit fire, or Faisons Coals.
This can be found in the Empire?
Most certainly, your lordship.
I am no lord, and I thank you for your information.
He resolved then to find out more about this Faisons Fire, and, when he did, its potential had been astounding.
He himself had not known of the existence of Faisons Fire until recently. The fortified towns in the north rarely saw the gaudiness of the carnivals of the southern metropolises, and all was stark and somber on the wall. Though he had commanded the Northern Guard ever since the Cimmerians broke through, he had no given himself any leisure time to visit the south. To command the Northern Wall was to sit at an eternal vigil, or so he saw it. And it was because of his vigilance that the most recent Scythian offensive had been nipped in the bud and the lowlands of Georgia and Armenia beyond kept safe.
But the King-Emperor had called for his services away from the wall, and so he had come, nearly a year past, to the capital city, bustling Ani of the ancients. And while he attended Imperial balls and waltzed with the noble women of the court, he also drunk in the lower entertainment of Ani the carnivals.
You could find anything at a carnival in Ani, or so it was said. Spices from lands so distant that not even the Indians had a name for them, silks from beyond the great steppes, beautiful workings of copper and bronze brought by Ravennese merchants who had in turn purchased them from peoples farther to the west. Exotic Indian, Deccanese and Gangan dancers, gold of a redder hue than that mined in Armenia from the coasts of Sumal, all could be found in a carnival at Ani. However, what most interested him was not the dancers or the silks or the spices, but a stall towards the back where an old woman claimed to possess eternal flame. Faisons Fire, she called it, fire of the Smith.
While those around him, members of the Imperial court, sniffed at the pyrotechnics and proclaimed it banal compared to the exotic goods surrounding, he was intrigued. He approached the old, stooped woman.
From where does this Faisons Fire come?
It comes from the sea, from the Caspian, my lord. It is washed onto shore and soaks into the sand.
Fire from the sea?
Yes, it burns even in the water, my lord. Tar, they call the unlit fire, or Faisons Coals.
This can be found in the Empire?
Most certainly, your lordship.
I am no lord, and I thank you for your information.
He resolved then to find out more about this Faisons Fire, and, when he did, its potential had been astounding.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
Xen, mankind has lost billions to disease and yet there is not a single nes which i've seen that's able to show the destruction of the Black Plague accurately. Just like if you use anti-biotics too often it won't work, if you do your standard defenses against plague in every fresh start nes too much, your defenses will be useless.
In other words, north king will get his way. Man has never really understand nature after all, and to the Christians, God. who knows what surprises will greet us on the 10th?
In other words, north king will get his way. Man has never really understand nature after all, and to the Christians, God. who knows what surprises will greet us on the 10th?
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
BananaLee said:
My blue pottery????
Do we really need to go back to arguing about my pottery and you stealing it???? 
alex994 said:
this is an elementary school lesson Alex; I know your not as old as most other here, and you certinatlly havent the fuller education i have, but coem on now, the reasosn manking has lost so many to disease is simple dude, its because proper sanitary conditions havent been present; when they are, and were present, plague and disease are kept to a minimum; when they are not, plague and other diseases run rampant. Proper conditions of sanitation work agianst disease, and it always has, and very likelly, always will, just because a healthy enviroment leads to healthier, stronger people, more cabable of resisting disease, and this is universal.
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I REALLY dont know why you had to stick your head into this; the argumenbt wa sover, no one else had to chime in; the lesson that you dont always, or even have to at all get the last owrd in is somthign you REALLY need to learn, and its somthing I've learned the hard way, more then once.
I'm content to continue my efforts to spurn off disease, if they work, they work, if they dont, they dont, its North Kings choice, and I'm content to let him make; but dont try to argue with me about its merits; i form my conclusions based on my knowledge, knowldge that is far more often then not, accurate; my suggestion is not to be a little yipping dog tryign to defend the logic opf plagues; your not going to make anyhead way with me, history is on my side, and I;m content to let NK run his NES the way he feels it should.
just let the whole god-damned thing die alex.
alex994
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Xen said:
xen, proper sanitary conditions is a factor, not a major part in the random cycle of disease. It's called mutation, viruses mutate after people gain resistance against it even with good sanitation practices. Sure, the Black Death killed most of the Europeans in their backwater, but it also killed a large portion of Chinese and Muslims whose living standards and sanitation was much higher then Europeans but the fact remains, better sanitation does not essentially mean stronger resistance towards disease. Disease can spread over many different ways even with good sanitary practics, believe it or not. Airborne bacteria for example, how would good sanitary practics defend against that? Good Sanitary practices does not essentially mean a stronger person where there's a lot more then just sanitary practices.
Another example which history as on my side, is that the steppe nomads and other tribes with MUCh lower sanitation then the Muslims and Chinese nations were the least affected by the Black Plague.
Xen, everyone forms their own conclusions from the ideas they have. I'm merely stating my own conclusion that good sanitary practices does not mean a better resistance towards disease. And i'm sure i wouldn't need to take a suggestion from one of the most infamous people in OT to not be a yipping dog. And if you don't want the last word, don't reply to this post.
Also, a good education doesn't mean bullsh*t about intelligence. A person could be from Harvard and was still stupid enough to suicide.
das
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Plagues work best in "the old Roman cities with 1,000,000+ populations in them.", Xen.
And, yes, that trade route should be luxury. For one thing, we can sell the you-know-what to them. You know, the thing I PMed you about recently.
And, yes, that trade route should be luxury. For one thing, we can sell the you-know-what to them. You know, the thing I PMed you about recently.
Iassure you, I would have just let it die, as you arnt worht arguing with, but the next sentence prompted me; but rest assured, I wont beign giving this argument any concern afterword; life isnt worth wasting on internet argumentsalex said:
alex994 said:
intelligence dosent matter in this case= education, and knowledge about the subject at hand do; if you dont knwo what your talking about, then no matter how intelligent you are, your still not going to know what your talking about, because you havent looked at the facts (which, rather obviouslly, you obviouslly havent; the mongols for instance have a high leval of sanitation then any people who live in the same are year round; why? because they can simpley leave after soem one used the bathroom, and dont have to worry about bathing in apolluted water source, because thier are no cities dumping waste into the river), and agian, sanitary enviroments= healthy people; and despite what else you do, having healthy people IS the best defence against disease, which si why sanitation is so important; if you can keep the lesser diseases at bay, then the major diseases will cause less of a problem
**** you, prove it. fire is one thing; tore thos eold cities aprt until Rome orginized urban fire brigades, but disease was never a problem due to sewage control, supplies of fresh water, and a population that was cleanlly.das said:Plagues work best in "the old Roman cities with 1,000,000+ populations in them.", Xen.
Jason The King
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NVM, im staying out of this.
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