Stop the Presses!
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Afforess
The White Wizard
What, no one asked my opinion? Don't I matter? 
Joseph, your chief complaint, if I understand correctly, is that Steam abuses your internet connection? Could you elaborate? Anecdotally, I haven't experienced that at all, even though I only have a 1.5MB connection. If that is your main concern, I suspect your fears are unfounded (feel free to prove me wrong), and you will be pleasantly surprised by the excellent service valve provides.
I'm not sure what other legitimate complaints exist against steam, since I have nothing but sunshine and rainbows to say about Valve and Steam, but feel free to lob them at me.
Joseph, your chief complaint, if I understand correctly, is that Steam abuses your internet connection? Could you elaborate? Anecdotally, I haven't experienced that at all, even though I only have a 1.5MB connection. If that is your main concern, I suspect your fears are unfounded (feel free to prove me wrong), and you will be pleasantly surprised by the excellent service valve provides.
I'm not sure what other legitimate complaints exist against steam, since I have nothing but sunshine and rainbows to say about Valve and Steam, but feel free to lob them at me.
Iceciro
Special Ability: Decimate
I too am curious. I watch my internet connection speeds like a hawk because I do play a lot of FPS games and MMO games where latency is a real issue, and when steam isn't updating one of my games, I don't see it using an iota of bandwidth.
I personally buy games on Steam whenever its an option. I can understand the frustration of some players that Steam is required, not optional - much like I am no fan of Windows Live - but Windows Live has never stopped me from buying a game and I feel like that is more intrusive on some games I play (like Batman:AA, or Street Fighter IV, for example)
As I have pointed out before, integrating Steamworks for the MP allows the dev team to spend more time coding AI and other important parts of the game - it provides the developers with an already-completed hook-in, not to mention servers to run the MP and an achievement system. As someone who DOES play MP Civ IV, the move to Steamworks is incredibly welcome, due to the fact that Steamworks... works, where as the gamespy network is pile of feces on a GOOD day.
Steam's also DRM - I'm not enough of a fanboy of steam to pretend it's all done for our good - but its a form of DRM I'm willing to accept. I mean, we could have TAGES or a limited install deal - you modders know how often a clean install of Civ Iv needs to happen >_> Plus, with Steam you can run it on as many computers as you like - as long as its only one one being played at a time. The Cloud will even store your savegames if you like, so you could continue the same game from computer to computer, which I feel is quite neat.
I personally buy games on Steam whenever its an option. I can understand the frustration of some players that Steam is required, not optional - much like I am no fan of Windows Live - but Windows Live has never stopped me from buying a game and I feel like that is more intrusive on some games I play (like Batman:AA, or Street Fighter IV, for example)
As I have pointed out before, integrating Steamworks for the MP allows the dev team to spend more time coding AI and other important parts of the game - it provides the developers with an already-completed hook-in, not to mention servers to run the MP and an achievement system. As someone who DOES play MP Civ IV, the move to Steamworks is incredibly welcome, due to the fact that Steamworks... works, where as the gamespy network is pile of feces on a GOOD day.
Steam's also DRM - I'm not enough of a fanboy of steam to pretend it's all done for our good - but its a form of DRM I'm willing to accept. I mean, we could have TAGES or a limited install deal - you modders know how often a clean install of Civ Iv needs to happen >_> Plus, with Steam you can run it on as many computers as you like - as long as its only one one being played at a time. The Cloud will even store your savegames if you like, so you could continue the same game from computer to computer, which I feel is quite neat.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
I'm sure Steam is a much improved "client" Now, than what it was Several Years ago. (capitals for emphasis). As I stated in the previous post I Work for an ISP. I deal with connectivity issues and bandwidth issues. My children used to argue with me that their Chat rooms and Mucks didn't use an "iota" of bandwidth either. Till I brought in an IBM specialist who showed them how wrong they were.
And if you Like your computer having an "umbilical cord" every time you boot up then by all means enjoy it. It is YOUR computer do what you want with it, Please by all means share it if you so desire.
But some of us don't like for "entities" to attach themselves to our computers every time we want to go "on line". I have anti ad-ware and spy-ware on my computer to stop Just Such Occurrences.
Of course none of this addresses the issue of ppl wanting to play CIV V without an Internet connection. I may not always have an internet connection available.
When you live in the country there is No Guarantee that there is an ISP provider locally. And believe me a Satellite ISP is Not cheap, nor is it reliable. Oops I won't be playing CIV V today causes it's raining or snowing and I can't make connections (and it happens all to often). I used to install Sat Dishes so don't blow me smoke over their reliability. Every other game I own (and that's another issue,ownership of something I paid for) I can play without worrying about a 'net connection. Even Impulse doesn't go that far.
This whole Steam issue is just another classic example of someone wanting to Control someone else. It's another intrusion into my privacy and personal freedom that I can live without. It's personal preference at this point. IF the publisher of CIV IV allows a NON steam version to be provided I would gladly purchase it. But as it stands today I'll not be joining in.
JosEPh
And if you Like your computer having an "umbilical cord" every time you boot up then by all means enjoy it. It is YOUR computer do what you want with it, Please by all means share it if you so desire.
But some of us don't like for "entities" to attach themselves to our computers every time we want to go "on line". I have anti ad-ware and spy-ware on my computer to stop Just Such Occurrences.
Of course none of this addresses the issue of ppl wanting to play CIV V without an Internet connection. I may not always have an internet connection available.
When you live in the country there is No Guarantee that there is an ISP provider locally. And believe me a Satellite ISP is Not cheap, nor is it reliable. Oops I won't be playing CIV V today causes it's raining or snowing and I can't make connections (and it happens all to often). I used to install Sat Dishes so don't blow me smoke over their reliability. Every other game I own (and that's another issue,ownership of something I paid for) I can play without worrying about a 'net connection. Even Impulse doesn't go that far.
This whole Steam issue is just another classic example of someone wanting to Control someone else. It's another intrusion into my privacy and personal freedom that I can live without. It's personal preference at this point. IF the publisher of CIV IV allows a NON steam version to be provided I would gladly purchase it. But as it stands today I'll not be joining in.
JosEPh
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The White Wizard
End-Users can control if steam starts with Windows, when to login, etc... I'm afraid your analogy doesn't work.
Also, it should have been made emphatically clear, you only need an internet connection to install CIV5. Once it's installed, you can run Steam in Offline mode and keep it that way if you want.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
My statement or "analogy" as you labeled it is correct. You verified it with your second statement.
Please, just because I'm old doesn't mean I'm senile or unlearned. You are a bright young man, no doubt there, but you Still are a young man and are still gaining eXperience. And I remain the old fart.
JosEPh
You Have To Run Steam whether online or offline, you have to manipulate Steam in some fashion to play. One more item to deal with. And Why?
Please, just because I'm old doesn't mean I'm senile or unlearned. You are a bright young man, no doubt there, but you Still are a young man and are still gaining eXperience. And I remain the old fart.
JosEPh
Afforess
The White Wizard
os79
Deity
My statement or "analogy" as you labeled it is correct. You verified it with your second statement. You Have To Run Steam whether online or offline, you have to manipulate Steam in some fashion to play. One more item to deal with. And Why?
Please, just because I'm old doesn't mean I'm senile or unlearned. You are a bright young man, no doubt there, but you Still are a young man and are still gaining eXperience. And I remain the old fart.
JosEPh
Permit 31 years old man take over.
Steam is simply a program that allow you to download a game. Then if you want to play Single Player, you can easily disconnect from the Internet if you so desire. It's not necessary but can be done. The game itself will still run smoothly if you already have a shortcut set up toward your game executive file in Steam, or run from Steam (no idea which as I don't use it personally [yet]) but I know enough that it certainly won't be a hardship. I used Steam once to play with a demo, and it had no inconvenience as far as I can see.
Don't take this as an taint on your honor, Joseph, but really you may had overreacted a tad there
.But, then again, if you still refuse to use Steam when Civ5 come out, you are within your rights to do so. Please don't rant against other users who may do so, though. One time rant against Steam is enough to present your opinions, and the forum respect you for that. However, repeatedly stating an already stated opinion can run into a danger zone of tiresomeness. Wouldn't you agree?
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Please don't rant against other users who may do so, though. One time rant against Steam is enough to present your opinions, and the forum respect you for that. However, repeatedly stating an already stated opinion can run into a danger zone of tiresomeness. Wouldn't you agree?
You posed a question as your final statement in your post. I will answer as that is the proper thing to do. As I did to other posts that posed questions too. But I will have to answer in the form of a question.
Is this my rant?
<shrug> Or was it my response to sonereal's repeated posting of "25 million"?
Otherwise I don't know against whom I have "ranted" in repeated postings. I believe you have falsely accused me. Have I argued against Steam? Yes. Have I stated I don't like Steam? Yes. Have I ranted against someone? If you call my "calling out sonereal on the carpet" for his repeat and almost verbatim post of "25 million" in this forum, the CIV V forum, and the News forum; then I stand convicted. As I seconded Arakhor's rebuttal to sonereal. Or was it the use of smilie faces in response to killtech?
Please, If you need to have the last word to vilify me then so be it. It is yours.
JosEPh
Please don't go into the Mines of Moria
Afforess
The White Wizard
Not you, nor I, nor anyone else here will have the last word. Civilization 5's success will.
Killtech
Discutator
i didn't play any game that required steam so far. but i suppose it won't cause any trouble as it would be very stupid for a company to do so. thus i for myself will install it as it as it was meant to. however if it proofs to be nasty in any way i will remove/deactivate it.
but that are my politics on the issue. and everyone has his own.
in general my thinking is that such features that allow you access to online content direct through the game are rather a benefit then a problem. also the needed internet connection during the installation for software verification makes sense in our time. although i really doubt its efficiency for any single player focused game like civilization.
but that are my politics on the issue. and everyone has his own.
in general my thinking is that such features that allow you access to online content direct through the game are rather a benefit then a problem. also the needed internet connection during the installation for software verification makes sense in our time. although i really doubt its efficiency for any single player focused game like civilization.
JanusTalaiini
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I concur. 1 or 2 online games. I don't play online games.
If I have to d/l Steam then CIV 5 will NOT be on my computer, Period!
There are several new 4X Space games coming out around the time of CIV 5. Guess I'll be playing them instead.
JosEPh
Offtopic from where the conversation has gone, but I had to ask -
What are the new 4X space games coming out? I -love- those, and haven't really been watching gaming news recently.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Have you tried sins of a solar empire? It's a great game. And No DRM.
winthrowe
Warlord
Have you tried sins of a solar empire? It's a great game. And No DRM.
Fully agree. Check out the Distant stars mod, if you want a stretched tech tree and rebalance for larger maps. kinda like RoM that way..
Afforess
The White Wizard
Yep, same mod I use for it too.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
2 newest out now are Distant Worlds and Armada2526. I play both. DW is a 4x RTS mix while Armada is a true 4X TBS.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=782&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1 http://ntronium.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php
Coming out 8-21-10 is Star Ruler. http://starruler.blind-mind.com/ It too is a 4X RTS hybrid.
SoaSE (Sin of a Solar Empire) and SotS (Sword of the Stars) both have expansion packs out.
And http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/ has released a MoO/ MoO2 twin pack, for a very reasonable price for newer machines (x64), that have problems running 16 bit programs.
I Love 4X Space! It's my 1st PC game Love with Civ a close 2nd.
A forgotten little gem is Lost Empires:Immortals, The Dev team folded right after it's release so Paradox hasn't pushed it's sales very much. A Fan/Modder who has a proven track record was allowed to build patches for it. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=374.
JosEPh ;D
Afforess
The White Wizard
Back on topic:
1.74 is going to be the final release for A New Dawn. You all knew this moment would come, and it came later than I originally imagined. (I almost quit modding in February, and again in April). I've wrapped basically everything I wanted to mod in Civ4. My to-do list is bare, and there aren't any real outstanding bugs that need to be fixed. Sure, there are a couple large projects I never tackled, like complex vassalage, or elections; but those are basically mods in their own rights, and I just don't have the prerequisite time to fully realize them. Perhaps they will appear in some form or another in Civ5. 1.74 being a final release doesn't mean I'm abandoning A New Dawn, I'll still update A New Dawn for each following Rise of Mankind release, and will release patches and fix bugs, but the main part of it's development is over. There may even be a 1.75 release to coincide with RoM 3.0, but it won't differ substantially from what AND is now.
I've really enjoyed modding, and the community here is what kept me interested for so long. I'll mod Civ5 for sure, once the dust settles and the first few patches comes out.
I all hope you have enjoyed Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn as much as I have.
1.74 is going to be the final release for A New Dawn. You all knew this moment would come, and it came later than I originally imagined. (I almost quit modding in February, and again in April). I've wrapped basically everything I wanted to mod in Civ4. My to-do list is bare, and there aren't any real outstanding bugs that need to be fixed. Sure, there are a couple large projects I never tackled, like complex vassalage, or elections; but those are basically mods in their own rights, and I just don't have the prerequisite time to fully realize them. Perhaps they will appear in some form or another in Civ5. 1.74 being a final release doesn't mean I'm abandoning A New Dawn, I'll still update A New Dawn for each following Rise of Mankind release, and will release patches and fix bugs, but the main part of it's development is over. There may even be a 1.75 release to coincide with RoM 3.0, but it won't differ substantially from what AND is now.
I've really enjoyed modding, and the community here is what kept me interested for so long. I'll mod Civ5 for sure, once the dust settles and the first few patches comes out.
I all hope you have enjoyed Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn as much as I have.
winthrowe
Warlord
cIV is dead!
Long live ciV!
Long live ciV!
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