Straining Israeli-Turkish Relations: Turkey Recalls Ambassador From Israel

[10Seven]

And do you really think that Japanese soldiers would have stood for it? The A-Bomb gave the Emperor an excuse to surrender, without it, methinks, they would never have surrendered.

Interesting, but I guess we'll never know, since, while that surrender was apparently broadcase, it was also apparently ignored So what you think the likelyhood is, changes the point not a bit

EDIT Fixed quote

 

[G-Man]

Israel, not to offend any Israelis on this board, was a good idea that was put in the wrong place. Giving nation a "homeland" located in the middle of many other people's homelands is not a good idea or justified by any means.

Palestine was one of the very few places on earth that didn't have a people living in them when Zionism started. The Palestinian people appeared only 25 years later.

 

[Adebisi]

Palestine was one of the very few places on earth that didn't have a people living in them when Zionism started. The Palestinian people appeared only 25 years later.

Exactly. And the Holocaust never happened either, and all persecution was due to provocations from the Jews themselves, who had a plot to make the world communist. Revisionism is so fun.

 

[insurgent]

It all stems back to religionism of course.

Nah, government is the problem. It always is.

 

[G-Man]

Exactly. And the Holocaust never happened either, and all persecution was due to provocations from the Jews themselves, who had a plot to make the world communist. Revisionism is so fun.

The holocaust did happen.
The Jews were persecuted due to racism, not because of their actions.
The Palestinian people appeared in 1905.

These are all historical facts.

 

[Capulet]

Palestine was one of the very few places on earth that didn't have a people living in them when Zionism started. The Palestinian people appeared only 25 years later.

Are you saying there were no Arabs living in and around Jerusalem before Zionism? When the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs. There were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine.The Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land. Stop belieiving in your myth that Palestine was an empty place before the Jews came - it wasn't. Who did the Crusaders fight in Palestine? Camels? There have been Arabs in Palestine for hundreds of years.

 

[Iggy]

@Musa. I was wondering that as well. Good point.

 

[Capulet]

The holocaust did happen.
The Jews were persecuted due to racism, not because of their actions.
The Palestinian people appeared in 1905.

These are all historical facts.

Palestinians are people who can trace their roots, over many centuries, to the land of Palestine – often referred to as the Holy Land. The idea of an independant nation of Palestine appeared in the 1900's, and that only happened because Turkish/Muslim control of Palestine ended. But the Palestinian people, people who have lived in the area for centuries, do exist, and will exist today and tommorow

 

[Capulet]

@Musa. I was wondering that as well. Good point.

More correctly, in 1917 there were 730,000 Arabs and 59,000 Jews. 730,000 is alot. Definantly not the empty Palestine G-Man dreamed about.

I took a break for a while debating Israel, but due to the lies that are being spread, I feel it is time for MUSA TO RETURN

 

[aaminion00]

The Palestinian people appeared only 25 years later.

One can tell your ancestors lived in the balkans. I have no respect for half-truths and nationalist exaggarations, whether they be from the ex-Yugoslavia or Israel.

 

[aaminion00]

As for the "world would be better without X" being a dangerous assumption, I don't know. Would the world have been better without nazi germany? Probably. Not comparing Israel to nazi germany, but with some nations it'd be pretty clear. I'd rather have a peaceful middle east without suicide bombing and a massively popular al-qaeda than a few extra computer parts, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Capulet]

One can tell your ancestors lived in the balkans. I have no respect for half-truths and nationalist exaggarations, whether they be from the ex-Yugoslavia or Israel.

Actually...

According to an article published at the World Zionist Organization's (WZO) website:

"REMARKABLY, the Khazars, a people of Turkic origin, converted to the Jewish religion sometime in the 9th century, beginning with the royal house and spreading gradually among the general populace. Judaism is now known to have been more widespread among the Khazar inhabitants of the Khazar kingdom than was previously thought. In 1999, Russian archaeologists announced that they had successfully reconstructed a Khazarian vessel from the Don River region, revealing 4 inscriptions of the word "Israel" in Hebrew lettering. It is now the accepted opinion among most scholars in the field that the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism was widespread, and not limited merely to the royal house and nobility. Ibn al-Faqih, in fact, wrote "All of the Khazars are Jews." Christian of Stavelot wrote in 864 that "all of them profess the Jewish faith in its entirety." Click here to view the full article and links to the original source.

His ancestors lived pretty close to the Balkans

 

[aaminion00]

Palestinians are people who can trace their roots, over many centuries, to the land of Palestine – often referred to as the Holy Land. The idea of an independant nation of Palestine appeared in the 1900's, and that only happened because Turkish/Muslim control of Palestine ended. But the Palestinian people, people who have lived in the area for centuries, do exist, and will exist today and tommorow

Hmm, you're probably haven't seen much nationalist/ethnic propaganda before. What G-man is attempting to say is that the Arabs in Palestine had no sense of being a single Paelstinian people or nationality before the arrival of the Jews. Why he's arguing that, after the Jews had absolutely no nation or desire to be one period for 1800 years, is beyond me. Of course there will be no concept of nationalism in the middle east until the late 19th century, there wasn't any concept of nationalism in much of Europe till the mid 1800's. Of course it will take a few decades to reach British colonies, and of course it's going to be slower among the Arabic-speakers who always considered religious identification far more important than ethnic. That Palestinian nationalism took a while to develop and required a catalyst such as a Zionist invasion is small wonder, but considering that the British/French would not have allowed a whole pan-arab state to be formed, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[Capulet]

Hmm, you're probably haven't seen much nationalist/ethnic propaganda before. What G-man is attempting to say is that the Arabs in Palestine had no sense of being a single Paelstinian people or nationality before the arrival of the Jews. Why he's arguing that, after the Jews had absolutely no nation or desire to be one period for 1800 years, is beyond me. Of course there will be no concept of nationalism in the middle east until the late 19th century, there wasn't any concept of nationalism in much of Europe till the mid 1800's. Of course it will take a few decades to reach British colonies, and of course it's going to be slower among the Arabic-speakers who always considered religious identification far more important than ethnic. That Palestinian nationalism took a while to develop and required a catalyst such as a Zionist invasion is small wonder, but considering that the British/French would not have allowed a whole pan-arab state to be formed, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Screw Pan-Arab. Forget nationalism and go Pan-Islamic

 

[Gogf]

Deleted.

(TOO SHORT)

 

[Gogf]

One can tell your ancestors lived in the balkans. I have no respect for half-truths and nationalist exaggarations, whether they be from the ex-Yugoslavia or Israel.

Well, I have no respect for completely bashing people's opinions as "nationalist exaggarations," and declaring where people's ancestors game from.

Musa, kindly let people with deal their own ancestors.

This always degenerates into an anit-Israel flame war that turns as personal as people at CFC can make it. If we could just have one civil debate about this without people talking about where other people's ancestors came from, and saying what they say is a "nationalist exaggarations," I would be greatful.

Also, does it matter at all where his ancestors came from? But, claiming that he is from the Balkans (which is not an insult) would not neccesarily be true. He is most likely from north-east Europe, or Spain. If he is, then if you go back far enough, he is from Israel. If he is from the Balkans, the same is likely true. Even if it is not, it makes no difference. He lives in Israel now, and that's what matters.

 

[Capulet]

Well, I have no respect for completely bashing people's opinions as "nationalist exaggarations," and declaring where people's ancestors game from.

Musa, kindly let people with deal their own ancestors.

This always degenerates into an anit-Israel flame war that turns as personal as people at CFC can make it. If we could just have one civil debate about this without people talking about where other people's ancestors came from, and saying what they say is a "nationalist exaggarations," I would be greatful.

Also, does it matter at all where his ancestors came from? But, claiming that he is from the Balkans (which is not an insult) would not neccesarily be true. He is most likely from north-east Europe, or Spain. If he is, then if you go back far enough, he is from Israel. If he is from the Balkans, the same is likely true. Even if it is not, it makes no difference. He lives in Israel now, and that's what matters.

Regarding your old post. Sharon is bad. Rar! Ethnic cleansing is bad. RAR. Sharon and ethnic cleansing should be in the same sentence. RAR. Don't ethnic cleanse, and then complain about ethnic cleansing. RAR.

 

[Gogf]

What is RAR?

Anyway, when did Sharon ethinically clense? And why would you quote a post when talking about a different one ?

 

[Capulet]

What is RAR?

Anyway, when did Sharon ethinically clense? And why would you quote a post when talking about a different one ?

RAR!

Sharon is ethnically cleansing when destroys Palestinian homes to replace them with settlements and walls. He is ethnically cleansing when he allowed the massacres of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon. You deleted your old post.

RAR!

 

[Leha]

RAR!

Sharon is ethnically cleansing when destroys Palestinian homes to replace them with settlements and walls. He is ethnically cleansing when he allowed the massacres of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon. You deleted your old post.

RAR!

Now, let's see what happens when we apply your logic on some historical events, interesting:

Allied forces were ethnically cleansing germans in WWII, Russia is ethnically cleansing chechnians right now, Turkey is ethnically cleansing kurds.
Why Sharon?