Stuff you wish they taught in school

[Zelig]

Why not? All of them are more important than learning about historical wars or square roots.

Square roots are really important.

I would trade your romantic partner to teach someone about square roots.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Trigga what? I don't think most students need to advance that far in maf.

trigonometry it's triangles and stuff it can be sometimes useful in real life I think like if you're making something that's rectangular and you don't want it crooked you make right triangles and measure that exactly.

 

[Hygro]

Trigga what? I don't think most students need to advance that far in maf.

Trigonometry please, learning math helps us understand things abstractly in ways that are unrelated to the math we learned. Super important.

 

[NovaKart]

I see nothing anti-american with it, not to mention if it was percieved that way by americans I couldn;t care less since I am Australian (incidentally religious teaching occurs in state schools in Australia).

As to why, well that should be obvious. Because a) its simplt not taught properly to Catholic kids in the west and b) because all those non-catholics listening in would learn something important, (and perhaps get a nudge in the right direction so to speak )

Honestly you have a one track mind. The world doesn't revolve around the Catholic Church and not everyone wants your religion taught to their children. Why not teach Islam? Buddhism? Santeria? (that at least is a little Catholic). I'm so sick of people wanting to shove their religion in everyone else's face. Keep it in the Catholic schools. And the critical thinking bit doesn't really hold water since there are plenty of other ways to teach that. I've heard Muslims, Protestants and Jews say very similar things about their religion.

 

[aelf]

To add to that, I would really doubt the critical thinking capability of a religious person who does not see the value of pluralism.

This thread has been an excellent sounding board for various posters' personal ideologies.

 

[Jehoshua]

This thread is what you wish would be taught in schools. Therefore I could perfectly well wish that Catholic teaching is properly taught in schools for various reasons. Its what I personally would wish was taught in schools.

Its hardly on the other hand me exhorting the world to do that or even saying that its a practical measure that should be taken. Its a wish. This thread is hardly here for argument and I don't see the reason why people see the need to make commentary on other peoples opinions on such matters considering the nature of the thread which is simply an expression of what people would wish for in education in their ideal universe.

It appears some people just look for arguments...

 

[aelf]

I assumed the thread was asking for plausible or practical suggestions and not for those that are completely fantastic or infeasible. My mistake.

 

[Jehoshua]

You only need to read the opening part which has "choosing a romantic partner" and deciding what work/hobbies/projects will make you happy, to see this is an idealist thread which as the title proclaims is quite simply there for people to say "What you wish they taught in school".

On that question, one thing I wish they taught people in schools is when it is best to keep ones mouth shut. Im sure that could help the vast majority of people (including myself IRL, I tend to rant too much ).

 

[Quackers]

Indeed true. Naturally, its just a personal thing, but I can figure out a ton of crap in my head (I did a large portion of Algebra I in my head, figuring out the answers to crap without even really knowing what I was doing or how to do the actual formula, and sometimes I could get an answer without getting anything else.) Algebra II (Same class as trig in my school) is simply too difficult to do in your head, and the problems are simply overwheming. As such, I don't feel like I need it, and I feel burdened by it when I'd much rather devote my time to History, where I'm taking college level classes in my high school (AP) and getting the highest grades in my class, and English.

Trig isn't too difficult.
When I did it at 16, 4 years ago I literally just wrote down the order of what I had to do, did a few exercises of it and bingo got it. Completely forgotten it now though as i haven't used it since the exam.
Loads of people just get overwhelmed by maths. They look at a page full of notation and such and go into a "can't do it" mode, especially the girls.
I would ignore the people saying it's very simple maths, blah blah blah - they've probably done maths-related degrees and use it in there work life so it's simple to them but your learning it first-time round so it's tricky.

 

[aelf]

You only need to read the opening part which has "choosing a romantic partner" and deciding what work/hobbies/projects will make you happy, to see this is an idealist thread which as the title proclaims is quite simply there for people to say "What you wish they taught in school".

I disagree. I think the thread starter quite clearly thinks that those are practical and feasible suggestions. And many of the posts in the thread entail the exhortation that schools in general actually implement their suggestions, although I don't think this precludes the awareness that that is unlikely to happen.

 

[Jehoshua]

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The ones I mentioned are clearly impractical to the highest regard. There is no such thing in the two I mentioned that are general, they would quite literally require a teacher to spend an inordinate amount of time on a one on one basis to have any effect. My wish of proper Catholic teaching in schools is actually practical in that regard (and indeed is done in many places) even if I'm hardly saying it must be done.

Ergo its a simple wish. Now naturally some people have posted things along the lines of "What they should teach in school" and may indeed have kept their wish to that which could happen practically. But the question of the thread is "What you wish they taught in school" which is quite different from "what they should teach in school". Basically it comes back to the point that some people wish to make an argument of everything and don't know when its best to just leave things be which unfortunately leads basically every thread of this nature onto some debate.

Now of course I have done some discussion on here, but I have kept it to response to my people who have felt the need to but their heads in regards to my original post and subsequent discussion. Ordinarily on CFC I keep to things that are actually my business (like ask a catholic) with the occasional opinion in threads like this.

 

[NovaKart]

Most people on this thread have actually used a discussion on why they think something is a good idea and talked about whether or not it was realistic in the school system so forgive us for thinking you meant the same. I mean if you said something like I wish they taught pole dancing or taxidermy then we would know you weren't serious.

 

[Jehoshua]

probably because the second post on this thread was you sticking your nose in and commentating on the originators wish-list thus setting the trend...

either way, its not that I am being totally outrageous or not being serious. Instead my suggestion to me would be what I think would be the ideal (what I wish), regardless of any impediments that exist. I guess though that I am just slightly irritated that people feel the need to make a debate out of everything anyone (ergo me in this case) says. Either way we are beating at a dead horse now, I think it would be good for me to take my own advice and withdraw from this little dialogue. Perhaps you and Aelf could do the same.

 

[Disgustipated]

School should separate boys from girls, and teach them how to be men and women. The parents aren't doing it, so the schools should. These teachers already get paid too much as it is (for 9 months work I might add), so make them work for that money.

 

[downtown]

These teachers already get paid too much as it is (for 9 months work I might add), so make them work for that money.

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[Zelig]

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Teachers are going to get replaced by robots soon anyway.

 

[NovaKart]

probably because the second post on this thread was you sticking your nose in and commentating on the originators wish-list thus setting the trend...

either way, its not that I am being totally outrageous or not being serious. Instead my suggestion to me would be what I think would be the ideal (what I wish), regardless of any impediments that exist. I guess though that I am just slightly irritated that people feel the need to make a debate out of everything anyone (ergo me in this case) says. Either way we are beating at a dead horse now, I think it would be good for me to take my own advice and withdraw from this little dialogue. Perhaps you and Aelf could do the same.

So when a discussion doesn't go well for you then you just act like you weren't serious and that other people are sticking their nose in your business. I get it.

 

[aelf]

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The ones I mentioned are clearly impractical to the highest regard. There is no such thing in the two I mentioned that are general, they would quite literally require a teacher to spend an inordinate amount of time on a one on one basis to have any effect. My wish of proper Catholic teaching in schools is actually practical in that regard (and indeed is done in many places) even if I'm hardly saying it must be done.

Ergo its a simple wish. Now naturally some people have posted things along the lines of "What they should teach in school" and may indeed have kept their wish to that which could happen practically. But the question of the thread is "What you wish they taught in school" which is quite different from "what they should teach in school". Basically it comes back to the point that some people wish to make an argument of everything and don't know when its best to just leave things be which unfortunately leads basically every thread of this nature onto some debate.

Now of course I have done some discussion on here, but I have kept it to response to my people who have felt the need to but their heads in regards to my original post and subsequent discussion. Ordinarily on CFC I keep to things that are actually my business (like ask a catholic) with the occasional opinion in threads like this.

I'm not really sympathising with your position here.

When challenged on the narrow-mindedness of your suggestion, you said that you're not saying that "its a practical measure that should be taken", which sounds like you might be demurring on question of practicality.

But now you've clarified that you think the teaching of the Catholic faith in schools is practical and feasible enough a wish. Fine, I agree it is, in the most fundamental sense. What I don't understand is why you would have that wish in the first place if you have no desire to see it implemented. If you do have a desire to see it implemented, then why wouldn't you think that schools should implement it, even if you know that it's not realistically going to happen? It just looks like you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to be able to describe your ideal situation without admitting to any desire to see it realised. I don't think that's possible.

Frankly, your arguments puzzle me. I get that you're a staunch Catholic who is learned in Catholic theology. In that light, it's surprising that you're attempting to argue this philosophically incoherent position. I think you should just bite the bullet and either defend your view or admit that you're wrong.

 

[Antilogic]

I assumed the thread was asking for plausible or practical suggestions and not for those that are completely fantastic or infeasible. My mistake.

Hey, there are a few of us who tried to go along with premise.

I think a class for personal finance matters would be an excellent addition to high school. This is what a mortgage is, these are common types of fees that you see, etc. would be so helpful to millions of Americans (and I assume millions of people in other countries as well). Hell, I remember speaking with a relative who didn't know which long-term charge she should pay off first--when I said the one with the highest interest rate, she acted puzzled.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Better teaching of history and English. I was lucky enough to have good English teachers (being in AP, anyway), but my 'history' classes were taught by gym teachers. This is unacceptable.