Subdued Animals in C2C discussions

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

Here is an Aardvark. Again another Southern Hemisphere animal.

 

[Koshling]

@Dancing Hoskuld

Here is an Aardvark. Again another Southern Hemisphere animal.

Are all the key herd-builders hemisphere agnostic (pig/boar, cow, horse, (sheep?), deer, donkey, ...)? If not do they all have analogues in each hemisphere with the same spawn resources?

 

[Hydromancerx]

Are all the key herd-builders hemisphere agnostic (pig/boar, cow, horse, (sheep?), deer, donkey, ...)? If not do they all have analogues in each hemisphere with the same spawn resources?

Well personally I think the existing wild boar should be renamed "Warthog" and then I find one that actually looks like a European Boar. So maybe something like ...

North/South
Elephant = Asian Elephant / African Elephant
Bison = Bison / Water Buffalo
Deer = Deer / Kangaroo
Camel = Camel / Llama
Horse = Horse / Zebra
Cow = Auroch / ?
Sheep = Ibex / ?
Pig = Wild Boar / Warthog
Rabbit = ? / ?
Fur = Beaver / ?
Walrus = ? / ?
Seal = ? / ?
Mammoth = Mammoth / ?

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

So I found he shark meshes and stuff, which means I found a better textured shark. Can you use the art files here for the existing shark and rename it "Shark - Reef". I will be posting different kinds of sharks soon. But we can at least make the existing shark a Reef Shark since thats what it most closely resembles.

Thanks!

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

Here is a Hammerhead shark. Enjoy!

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

Here is a Great White Shark! I know you guys have been wanting this for awhile now. So I am very happy to be able to get it for you guys. Enjoy!

 

[Thunderbrd]

Wonderful work on the sharks but aardvarks are found in the american midwest. Not the southern hemisphere.

 

[Thunderbrd]

The water buffalo could be slightly adjusted to be a Yak too.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

With the number of animals we are getting people with small maps will not get some. I need to think more on how to implement them all. One reason they aren't all going in the next release.

 

[Hydromancerx]

The water buffalo could be slightly adjusted to be a Yak too.

I think I have a Yak. However I have been trying to get a Muskox converted but I cannot find the mesh.

Wonderful work on the sharks but aardvarks are found in the american midwest. Not the southern hemisphere.

Not aardvarks, armadillos are in the American Southwest (as well as in South America).

Aardvarks and Armadillos are not even related. However they fill the same niche of eating bugs like termites and ants. This is called Convergent Evolution, where species that are not related appear similar.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Ah... right... I stand corrected... duh lol

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

Here is a Whale Shark. I am not sure if we should be listing it as "Shark - Whale" make the sharks should just be listed like "Reef Shark" and the whales like "Humpback Whale". What do you think?

 

[soltari666]

Here is a Whale Shark. I am not sure if we should be listing it as "Shark - Whale" make the sharks should just be listed like "Reef Shark" and the whales like "Humpback Whale". What do you think?[/QUOTE]


this guy is part of the shark family, biologically speaking.

 

[Hydromancerx]

this guy is part of the shark family, biologically speaking.

Yeah I know. I just think it may just be better to read as "Whale Shark" or "Humpback Whale". Then the whole "Type - Animal" format.

 

[EldrinFal]

Well personally I think the existing wild boar should be renamed "Warthog" and then I find one that actually looks like a European Boar. So maybe something like ...

North/South
Elephant = Asian Elephant / African Elephant
Bison = Bison / Water Buffalo
Deer = Deer / Kangaroo
Camel = Camel / Llama
Horse = Horse / Zebra
Cow = Auroch / ?
Sheep = Ibex / ?
Pig = Wild Boar / Warthog
Rabbit = ? / ?
Fur = Beaver / ?
Walrus = ? / ?
Seal = ? / ?
Mammoth = Mammoth / ?

Do you have Kangaroo grouped with Deer because you have a mesh for it?? I'd think a more equivalent would be like Gazelle or other deer-like herding animal on the Sarengetti.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Deer, antelope and kangaroos fill the same niche.

With all the new animals some of the old are becoming too rare. It is going to take awhile to balance their spawn rate.

 

[Hydromancerx]

Do you have Kangaroo grouped with Deer because you have a mesh for it?? I'd think a more equivalent would be like Gazelle or other deer-like herding animal on the Sarengetti.

I think I had them spawn with the camel resource. But I already posted a Kangaroo here.

 

[Necratoid]

You have to remember with whale sharks and the like that actual genetic relaton is completely irrelivant until the 1950's. Mostly because it didn't exist as a concept so historical classification of creatures by genetics is a non issue until Genetics are researched. You may need to have an event after researching genetics (or whatever) where they reclassify animals like mad.

For the early ages where myths matter most, you need to broadly classify animals by what they actually look like. Convergent Evolution is a post Genetics concept, you just didn't need to explain why things that look and do the same thing aren't related until you have Genetics as a ceoncept to require answersing to. The Ancient Greeks used that taxonimy. Swimmy fish shaped things are classified broadly as fish. That kind of stuff.

So for historical time periods to be historically accurate, or as close as this game gets to it, you need to have tech clusters trigger different animal classification systems. cavemen classify things by 'will stomp face but not eat me afterwards', 'flee to not be food', 'animal that is there and will need a myth explain why it has an oddly long neck', 'something killed him and we need to explain what the unseen thing was' myths based identification systems. Everyone once in a while such things under go major over hauls.

You may even want to have a trigger that once a Civ researches tech X, Y, Z, and Q that whoever gets the first Great Person Scientist born (and has those techs), triggers an event that they come up with a new classification system. Nothing other Civs can act upon until they get those techs. But it opens up a new something and obsoletes other somethings. Like an 'Age' change event, but it just alters how some things are defined.

That or getting a Great Person Scientist after researching those Techs allows some random cheap tech to be researched/is granted (something that cost no , but has a said cluster of required techs). This represents a new classification system/world view. The next step of which can't be researched/granted until tech A, B, and R are researched. I'm not sure getting a Great person type X after completing other requirements can be used as a trigger though.

In short, how animals are actually classified changed with time. No reason that shouldn't show up in the game. I don't think its quite worth its own civic (though it could be). Convergent evolution is a good late game example of such a civic or tech, on which needs Genetics to trigger.

 

[Hydromancerx]

I don't see why classifications would matter. A whale is a whale even if you call it a fish. Its DNA is not changing just because your named it something else.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" - William Shakespeare

 

[Necratoid]

Because that big filter feeder is clearly not a carnivore... sharks are carnivores. So your entire gibbering about how that whale is a shark or somehow both at once IS madness. I mean Duh! I mean it can't be a 'whale shark' that is two clearly different types of fish. Next thing you know we'll find you've cooked that lab assistant gangly legs and the silly hair. "Its clearly a chicken" you'll say...insanity!

The point would be that calling a thing a whale shark... before you even separate sea monsters and dragons of the deep into concepts of 'whale' and 'shark' is odd. You haven't even figured out these canoe things and your up to date on something you can vaguely see from a mile away and its nomenclature relative to 8000 years in the future.