Suggestions and Requests

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Prosecutors can be produced while running Free Religion. Is this intentional?

I'm actually thinking about it and perhaps it should still be allowed! It would allow secular-state purges, like those done by Stalin and Pol Pot. However, I think prosecutions under free religion should have a larger unhappiness and/or stability penalty. Perhaps even a diplomacy hit.

 

[citis]

But... I... But... Less memory usage... But... Less cluttered maps... I'll just go into my corner and sulk I guess.

Can you imagine one city England, France, Spain and Germany?
On the other hand if DoC adopted the GEM, then all euros would be one-city challenges...

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Prosecutors can be produced while running Free Religion. Is this intentional?

I'm actually thinking about it and perhaps it should still be allowed! It would allow secular-state purges, like those done by Stalin and Pol Pot. However, I think prosecutions under free religion should have a larger unhappiness and/or stability penalty. Perhaps even a diplomacy hit.

Don't you mean Secularism?

I for one think we should add a new religious civic (Scholasticism has little historical precedence anyway) to represent stuff like this, maybe call it Ideology? Like Secularism it should not allow you to have a state religion, but unlike Secularism which should encourage as many religions as possible it should encourage actively ridding your cities of all religions. No idea for effects yet, something military and espionage related?

Can you imagine one city England, France, Spain and Germany?
On the other hand if DoC adopted the GEM, then all euros would be one-city challenges...

Yes for England and France, aside from London and Paris respectively there aren't any important cities anyway.

 

[Tigranes]

I have a very simple and effective suggestion for maintaining the contact in lieu of embassies. Trade in commodities on federal level means contact! As long as 2 civilization trade any goods they maintain contact (other than maintaining visibility with a unit).

This will kill 2 birds with one stone. No longer will we have unrealistic situation when you cannot talk to Chinese leader, or even cancel a trade while in city screen enjoying their Silk you have traded for your Fur ages ago! The second bird is -- no need to build embassies (or worry about physically maintaining contact). If there is a way to conduct commodity trading -- there is a way to stay in diplomatic contact. If pirates, or barbarians, or war makes trade impossible -- contact between nation fades away and disappears!

 

[Leoreth]

That's a very good idea, I'll see how easy it is to implement.

 

[Tigranes]

SVN log thread is very useful to learn about new updates immediately after visiting forums. It would be double useful if instead of repetitive and unnecessary "New commit" each log started with "SVN XXX" log title, please.

 

[Leoreth]

What's the point?

 

[Tigranes]

Easy reference? Say, two players post here and one of them says: "Mine was bigger than yours!" "When was it, what SVN? " "I don't remember, the one before Leo nerfed Britain but after Harappa, I am at work, let me check it up online ... oh shoot I can't! I can't even check which SVN # is the latest one, update logs just say "New Commit". What's the point of that, clearly new posting in that thread means we have a new commit, but which number?"

Spoiler :

"Mine" refers to the size of London, of course.

 

[Leoreth]

But you can already access more comprehensive and reliable information about that in the SVN client.

 

[2015]

I think the independence mechanic should be changed a little.

Instead of "expelled our garrisons", the civ should spawn with a large stack of units near each city, with only 1 city under their control. I think that civ respawns, especially with big civs, is a real pain in the ass. Especially the desertion mechanic.

 

[Leoreth]

Wait, does desertion happen for your respawns?

 

[2015]

Yes I think but you know what I'm not exactly sure, I might be confusing it with an Ottoman spawn. Maybe someone else can report in

 

[Tigranes]

Hereby I am humbly requesting an Elephant for the original Persian units. Persians used war elephants at the Battle of Gaugamela in 331 BC. The battle raged between king Alexander the Great of Macedon and king Darius III of Persia . The Persians had 15 Indian-trained war elephants. Greek conqueror event happens on turn 115, no time for Persia to discover the corresponding tech. One single Elephant will not alter balance but will make life so much fun!

 

[citis]

Maybe elephants should be available from horse riding only like Phoenicians. They come too late for both Persians and Indians. Well if not for the human player at least for the AI.

 

[Tigranes]

And by the way -- IVC now promptly collapsing as intended every single time I do autorun, perhaps we can just bring them in default game? Because the only impact they are having are couple of city ruins anyway.

I keep playing different civs with Harappa enabled and reconfirming that they are promptly collapsing on default difficulty 85% of time due to the natural causes (unhappiness) . In those few cases when they don't collapse -- they could simply receive a new name upon entering classical age (Mahajanapada, 16 republics and kingdoms) -- and resist Greek human player like Porus did in real life. This will also make more interesting game for human Indian player, allowing him to feel like Chandragupta Maurya, conquering populous Indus river region, which is now unrealistically sparsely populated.

I know that you object Harappa in default game on two grounds: obscure historical account which does not allow to link pre-Hinduism Indus valley population with Vedic kingdoms and balance issues when strange civ like Harappa survives well into Middle ages. Testing shows latter does not happen very often and can be reinterpreted by the game in the manner proposed. In the reference to the former -- think about Babylon, and even greater ethnic differences between non-Semitic Sumers and Old Babylonian kingdom.

Please enable IVC by default. Pros outweigh cons by a clear margin.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

I agree with Tigranes, for my biggest reason to normally be against new civs is due to performance, which is a nonfactor in the early game.

 

[DarkLunaPhantom]

Please enable IVC by default. Pros outweigh cons by a clear margin.

I would like all civs to be enabled by default, but what difference does it really make? You can enable them by changing 1 number in xml.

 

[Tigranes]

I would like all civs to be enabled by default, but what difference does it really make? You can enable them by changing 1 number in xml.

I can tell you the difference. This game has generated a lot of social interactions, people discuss strategies, playtest and report, constantly suggest something, compare scores, compete in challenges and simply talk about the mod alot. When everybody (by default) are at the same page -- life just seems to be a lot easier, plus you have this feel of "official" vs "customized" game you are playing. Default speed, default difficulty, default civ list -- Leoreth balances things for defaults. For example Persian game with and without Harappa -- are 2 different games. Finally there is a pure philosophical reason: Dawn of civilizations happened in 4 famous places, not 3. So it is not just 1 number in the file.

 

[andrewv42]

Move Prussia spawn date to AD 1230.

Prussia begins as Teutonic Order.

 

[LacsiraxAriscal]

I agree with Tigranes actually. Although the cities would obviously have to change names, I don't fancy seeing Harappa exist into the Middle Ages. Is it where Lahore/Taxila should be? I don't remember. The other city they normally place is Karachi area so that's fine by me.