"Support The Troops"

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I see people with this bumper sticker all over the place and it kind of makes me mad to see it. It makes me mad because I doubt the people who put that bumper sticker on have actually done anything to actually support soldiers and veterans in their lives. They strike me as the kind people who think all they have to do is buy the bumper sticker and that means they support the troops. How many of them have actually volunteered at their local VA hospital? How many have volunteered at their local USO? Better yet, how many employers have actually hired veterans for positions that match their qualifications instead of just the lowest minimum wage job they have available? How many politicians talk about how much they support the military and its veterans during their campaign speeches, but then turn around and argue for veteran benefit reductions on The Hill? If this country is serious about thanking its soldiers and veterans, then they need to start actually thanking us, instead of giving us the lip-service we get now.

Anyway, now that I got that little rant out of my system, on to the real purpose of this thread. If Congress all of a sudden appointed you as the Grand Lord Over All Things VA, what would you do to improve the state our veterans are in? Keep in mind that in this imaginary scenario the government will do whatever you say regarding the treatment of veterans and their families.

Here's a few things I would have done:

1) The 5 and 10 point veteran's preference system for government jobs would apply to the private sector as well.

2) If a veteran applies for a job, the organization or company must at least give them an interview. This combined with 1) would maximize the chances of veterans finding a job and reducing veteran unemployment. Basically, I want it so veterans have the first crack at any job that becomes available. I don't think that is too much to ask nor is it unfair.

3) Retention of Tricare for all veterans, not just retirees. This would alleviate the burden of worrying about healthcare for veterans, and would actually save employers money as well because the veteran wouldn't have to get their healthcare through the employer.

4) Guaranteed approval of home and small business loans for veterans. The VA has a home loan program now, but all it does is make it easier to get a home loan, not guaranteeing approval.

5) The GI Bill should be expanded to cover the soldier's/veteran's spouse and children as well. Right now, the Post-9/11 GI Bill can be transferred to dependents after having a certain number of years in service, but I think the GI Bill should cover the college education of the soldier/veteran AND spouses and children. Also, I would like to see the GI Bill cover graduate school as well, not just undergrad.

There are more things I would like to see in the way of veteran's benefits, but I don't want to make this too long.
 
What makes you think that people with bumper stickers don't do anything more?
 
What makes you think that people with bumper stickers don't do anything more?

Personal experience. I am the kind of person who asks people with those bumper stickers what they do for veterans. I don't demand that people give their undivided loyalty to veterans, but I do ask that people stop acting like they support the troops when they really don't. If someone doesn't care about soldiers and veterans, I'd have more respect for them if they would be honest about it instead of acting like they do because it's trendy or because they're afraid of what people might say about them.

JollyRoger said:
Last time I checked, it was a volunteer gig.

Even more reason we deserve a leg up on those who didn't serve.
 
1) The 5 and 10 point veteran's preference system for government jobs would apply to the private sector as well.

2) If a veteran applies for a job, the organization or company must at least give them an interview. This combined with 1) would maximize the chances of veterans finding a job and reducing veteran unemployment. Basically, I want it so veterans have the first crack at any job that becomes available. I don't think that is too much to ask nor is it unfair.
I'm not from a militaristic society so maybe I just don't get it but why should someone get a head start on anyone else because of a job they chose?

When you say first crack at any job - say a software engineering job that requires a BS and ten years experience - should they have to interview any ex-soldier that comes along?
 
I believe veterans should receive $10,000 a month for life. I'd also like to add that this has nothing, n o t h i n g, to do with me being a veteran.
 
I think you should be treated well by the service/force you sign up for, both while you are serving and afterwards. I also think if there is any unfair treatment or stigma attached to you by society which hinders you getting a job later then that should be tackled, no doubt. But first crack at any job going, even in the private sector? Guaranteed home and business loans, no matter how big a risk you are or how poorly planned your business proposal is? Hell no. How does serving in the armed forces entitle you to preferential treatment in completely unrelated areas for the rest of your life? Like JollyRoger said, you volunteer, you get trained and paid, and you get a pension when you leave - you can't just demand interviews for any job you want afterwards, or demand no-check loans, that's ludicrous.
 
It's not insulting or coddling. It is giving us our just due for what we had to sacrifice.

Bull****. This might be the most utterly ridiculous statement I've heard in weeks. Vets already have systematic advantages in society with outdated parts of the GI Bill because they choose to waste their prime years without getting either work experience or an education.

You and all vets didn't make a sacrifice, you choose to waste 5 years of your life and now expect some kind of special privilege. It's not like there's been a draft in the past 30 years where at least some parts of the GI Bill was needed. The whole institutionalized Vet favoritism in public jobs is causing underqualified and sometimes incompetent people getting jobs over the best candidate. Expanding on the GI Bill would just encourage people to waste their most productive years of their lives in some backwater country with no net benefit to society.
 
Life and death boys and girls, and society stands to gain from others sacrifice sooo...

Every soldier who volunteers has the chance of being in a war and dying in it.
 
I'm not from a militaristic society so maybe I just don't get it but why should someone get a head start on anyone else because of a job they chose?

When you say first crack at any job - say a software engineering job that requires a BS and ten years experience - should they have to interview any ex-soldier that comes along?

First question: The veteran's preference system is meant to ease a soldier's transition back into civilian life. One of the biggest problems a recently separates veteran has is finding employment. Not being able to find employment is obviously a huge setback to the transition process, so veterans who apply for government jobs are given a little bit of a nudge towards the top of the candidate list to make it a little easier on them.

Second question: Yes they should interview unqualified veterans. While they may not be qualified for the position they are interviewing for there may be another opening they are perfectly suited for. Companies don't always post every single position available. In fact there have been two occasions in my life where I have received a job offer for a position other than the one I interviewed for.
 
Life and death boys and girls, and society stands to gain from others sacrifice sooo...

Because invading Iraq twice and trying to prop up a government is a region that has been at war for 30+ years totally has net gains to society :rolleyes:
 
The troops go where they're sent. You can take away the politicians pensions for that stuff, I don't care, but don't blame the guys who put it all on the line.
 
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