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For my convinience, and others, I'm reposting the pro-Ialian (grumble) roots here:
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A Brief Overview of the Bessariondze:
The Bessariondze are a relatively warlike people, motivated primarily by the concepts of Thatiho (Kinship) and Kashith (Justice). Located along the southern reaches of [Origin 1], the earliest records of the Bessariondze place their origin along the Kambathsu River Valley. Spreading Eastward along the coastal regions, the Bessariondze's early expansion was primarily at the expense of the Tsai people, however recent skirmishes among the tribes have been concentrated on the highly contentious Western borders, where the formidable Nengal and Kalioko people violently defend their fertile and strategically located territories. This conflict of East versus West has served as a powerful symbol for the very duality by which many Bessarion live.(A shorter version for my convenience
)
Mythology:
Bessarion mythology encompasses a complex and large pantheon, centered around the internal struggles of the gods and their primary family unit. The head of this family, and by far the most worshiped god, is Shakikim, the father of nearly all the popularly worshiped gods and god of the day sky and sun. Shakikim's "wife" (Primary consort or mother to his children would be more accurate), Leth, is goddess of Fertility. The primary conflict of the Bessarion patheon is that between Shakikim's two brothers, Losol, god of war, and Hoth, god of agriculture. The story of the two brother's rivalry has many versions, but often centers around the "marriage" of the goddess Shalah, goddess of the sea, to Losol, invoking the anger and jealousy of Hoth, whose own consort Mop is the much less desirable goddess of death.
Many conflicts within Bessarion society center around the worshipers of the two brothers, though much of the Bessarion's greatest accomplishments come in the rare moments of harmony. As Shakikim is god of the sun, and worshiped by nearly all Bessarion, a certain sense of unity runs throughout all the conflict among the cults of the brothers or smaller dieties (many of whom also claim descent from Shakikim) especially when faced with outside threats. As the two brothers also represent the two moons, their position in the sky throughout the years and months has determined many battles and harvests (how much is to be sacrificed, etc).
There are many lesser gods (who may rise to prominence as conditions change), and in many stories the jealousies of the goddesses and their manipulations of their husbands (especially Losol and Hoth). It remains to be seen if the duality of the conflict remains as such, or if one cult will rise to dominance over the other.
It should be noted that while the cults will compete for supremacy, under no condition do any reject the proper position of a rival god as god of his respective idea or object. Instead, it can be seen as a symbolic conflict as to which god is to "inherit the earth" as the rightful heir to Shakikim, much like brothers competing to inherit their father's possession.
Society, Tenets, and Beliefs
The concept of Thatiho (Kinship) serves as another unifying factor among the cults of the Bessarion, as it is recognized that all the gods have common ancestral ties and descent from the sun god Shakikim. Family ties are of utmost importance to the Bessarion, but as demonstrated by the gods themselves, ultimately the strongest of the family will rise to dominance over the other. It is for this reason that the Bessarion often go through periods of considerable internal strife, but when the need for unity arises due to external threats, their forces have come down upon the enemies in the common name of Shakikim regardless of the brother or lesser god they follow.
The concept of Kashith (Justice) is another of great importance and unity among the Bessarion people. As Shakikim presided over the creation of the universe and provided the seed for the other gods, so too does he preside over the imposition of divine justice and honor upon the world. Though somewhat nebulous at this time, the concepts of Justice include common practices of treating neighbors or wanderers, how to dole out punishment for crimes (such as violation ofthatiho or defeat in battle), or filial obligations. It is likely that as time passes, Kashith will become akin some of the first enforced ancient "laws".
Bessarion society is equally conflicted, starting at the local familial level. The goddess of fertility very well represents the Bessarion practice of bearing many children, especially in pursuit of a bounty of multiple male heirs. The supremacy of the head male of the household is upheld without question, and the family is defended as a whole to the last, but establishing the heir to the household becomes the difficult part. There is usually more than an abundance of male heirs vying for the position, and the numbers typically thin due to duels and other such methods of determining physical supremacy. Not all such establishments of superiority result in the death of the loser; there are many contests, especially as achieving many kills or a glorious victory in battle, which can prove the inherent superiority of a potential heir. Possessions are divided among all male heirs upon the death of the head of household, but the most valuable and a disproportionate amount goes to the primary male heir, with less and less to each male heir further along the inheritance line. If there is no clear divisions of physical or other supremacy, age usually predominates.
On the macro level, the scale of the Bessarion people has thus far simply served to remove the possibility of any real stability being established. Head chieftains (Takam) primarily lead their regional tribes, centered around the often powerful (and sometimes the same as the head chief) head priest (Therista) of one of the brothers or lesser god. As previously discussed, these tribes are continually vying for supremacy by military might in the name of their god, but also take time to establish the supremacy of Shakikim himself as a common goal upon non-Bessarion groups. This is especially true of the Western tribes.
A common evolving theme among the Bessarion people is that of a dualistic conflict, or Ngash. Whether changes in the pantheon or conditions will serve to change this remain to be seen, but as for now, much symbolic importance is placed on the concept a conflict between Order/Justice and that which is not.
Geographic and Mythological Future of the Bessarion
Reflecting this duality and conflict among the gods, the realities of the region have served to divide (in generalizations) the Bessarion people.
In the areas along the coast, and especially in the West on the borders with the Nengal and Kalioko, the more necessarily war-like cults of Losol (god of war) have triumphed. His association with the goddess of the sea have also strengthened his worship along coastal areas (who, not coincidentally, also see much conflict) especially along the south in the large Bay of Shalah.
Along the Kambathsu river, and in areas of great food production, not surprisingly the god Hoth has risen as predominant. He claims much of central and Eastern Bessarion to his cults, granting considerable advantages in number.
In the Eastern plains, especially in areas bordering the Tsai people, there is a resurgence of Losol cults, but the diversity of cults there is most diverse than any other region of the Bessariondze. Frequently disjointed and warring, the tribes have focused primarily upon competing as to who gets to expand their lands into the peace-loving Tsai people.
The most complex situation is that of the most densely populated (I use the term densely very loosely) delta region of the Kabathsu valley. Nearly all the cults of the region are devoted to either the god Hoth or lesser god Losol, commanding considerably loyalty from some of the greatest warrior tribes and the largest tribes devoted to agriculture (Well, they all appreciate agriculture, but living in such a fertile region, they do especially so). As the heart and origin of the Bessarion people, dominance in this area would grant a specific cult considerable economic and symbolic strength in any efforts to unite the people.
The Bessariondze are a relatively warlike people, motivated primarily by the concepts of Thatiho (Kinship) and Kashith (Justice). Located along the southern reaches of [Origin 1], the earliest records of the Bessariondze place their origin along the Kambathsu River Valley. Spreading Eastward along the coastal regions, the Bessariondze's early expansion was primarily at the expense of the Tsai people, however recent skirmishes among the tribes have been concentrated on the highly contentious Western borders, where the formidable Nengal and Kalioko people violently defend their fertile and strategically located territories. This conflict of East versus West has served as a powerful symbol for the very duality by which many Bessarion live.(A shorter version for my convenience
) Mythology:
Bessarion mythology encompasses a complex and large pantheon, centered around the internal struggles of the gods and their primary family unit. The head of this family, and by far the most worshiped god, is Shakikim, the father of nearly all the popularly worshiped gods and god of the day sky and sun. Shakikim's "wife" (Primary consort or mother to his children would be more accurate), Leth, is goddess of Fertility. The primary conflict of the Bessarion patheon is that between Shakikim's two brothers, Losol, god of war, and Hoth, god of agriculture. The story of the two brother's rivalry has many versions, but often centers around the "marriage" of the goddess Shalah, goddess of the sea, to Losol, invoking the anger and jealousy of Hoth, whose own consort Mop is the much less desirable goddess of death.
Many conflicts within Bessarion society center around the worshipers of the two brothers, though much of the Bessarion's greatest accomplishments come in the rare moments of harmony. As Shakikim is god of the sun, and worshiped by nearly all Bessarion, a certain sense of unity runs throughout all the conflict among the cults of the brothers or smaller dieties (many of whom also claim descent from Shakikim) especially when faced with outside threats. As the two brothers also represent the two moons, their position in the sky throughout the years and months has determined many battles and harvests (how much is to be sacrificed, etc).
There are many lesser gods (who may rise to prominence as conditions change), and in many stories the jealousies of the goddesses and their manipulations of their husbands (especially Losol and Hoth). It remains to be seen if the duality of the conflict remains as such, or if one cult will rise to dominance over the other.
It should be noted that while the cults will compete for supremacy, under no condition do any reject the proper position of a rival god as god of his respective idea or object. Instead, it can be seen as a symbolic conflict as to which god is to "inherit the earth" as the rightful heir to Shakikim, much like brothers competing to inherit their father's possession.
Society, Tenets, and Beliefs
The concept of Thatiho (Kinship) serves as another unifying factor among the cults of the Bessarion, as it is recognized that all the gods have common ancestral ties and descent from the sun god Shakikim. Family ties are of utmost importance to the Bessarion, but as demonstrated by the gods themselves, ultimately the strongest of the family will rise to dominance over the other. It is for this reason that the Bessarion often go through periods of considerable internal strife, but when the need for unity arises due to external threats, their forces have come down upon the enemies in the common name of Shakikim regardless of the brother or lesser god they follow.
The concept of Kashith (Justice) is another of great importance and unity among the Bessarion people. As Shakikim presided over the creation of the universe and provided the seed for the other gods, so too does he preside over the imposition of divine justice and honor upon the world. Though somewhat nebulous at this time, the concepts of Justice include common practices of treating neighbors or wanderers, how to dole out punishment for crimes (such as violation ofthatiho or defeat in battle), or filial obligations. It is likely that as time passes, Kashith will become akin some of the first enforced ancient "laws".
Bessarion society is equally conflicted, starting at the local familial level. The goddess of fertility very well represents the Bessarion practice of bearing many children, especially in pursuit of a bounty of multiple male heirs. The supremacy of the head male of the household is upheld without question, and the family is defended as a whole to the last, but establishing the heir to the household becomes the difficult part. There is usually more than an abundance of male heirs vying for the position, and the numbers typically thin due to duels and other such methods of determining physical supremacy. Not all such establishments of superiority result in the death of the loser; there are many contests, especially as achieving many kills or a glorious victory in battle, which can prove the inherent superiority of a potential heir. Possessions are divided among all male heirs upon the death of the head of household, but the most valuable and a disproportionate amount goes to the primary male heir, with less and less to each male heir further along the inheritance line. If there is no clear divisions of physical or other supremacy, age usually predominates.
On the macro level, the scale of the Bessarion people has thus far simply served to remove the possibility of any real stability being established. Head chieftains (Takam) primarily lead their regional tribes, centered around the often powerful (and sometimes the same as the head chief) head priest (Therista) of one of the brothers or lesser god. As previously discussed, these tribes are continually vying for supremacy by military might in the name of their god, but also take time to establish the supremacy of Shakikim himself as a common goal upon non-Bessarion groups. This is especially true of the Western tribes.
A common evolving theme among the Bessarion people is that of a dualistic conflict, or Ngash. Whether changes in the pantheon or conditions will serve to change this remain to be seen, but as for now, much symbolic importance is placed on the concept a conflict between Order/Justice and that which is not.
Geographic and Mythological Future of the Bessarion
Reflecting this duality and conflict among the gods, the realities of the region have served to divide (in generalizations) the Bessarion people.
In the areas along the coast, and especially in the West on the borders with the Nengal and Kalioko, the more necessarily war-like cults of Losol (god of war) have triumphed. His association with the goddess of the sea have also strengthened his worship along coastal areas (who, not coincidentally, also see much conflict) especially along the south in the large Bay of Shalah.
Along the Kambathsu river, and in areas of great food production, not surprisingly the god Hoth has risen as predominant. He claims much of central and Eastern Bessarion to his cults, granting considerable advantages in number.
In the Eastern plains, especially in areas bordering the Tsai people, there is a resurgence of Losol cults, but the diversity of cults there is most diverse than any other region of the Bessariondze. Frequently disjointed and warring, the tribes have focused primarily upon competing as to who gets to expand their lands into the peace-loving Tsai people.
The most complex situation is that of the most densely populated (I use the term densely very loosely) delta region of the Kabathsu valley. Nearly all the cults of the region are devoted to either the god Hoth or lesser god Losol, commanding considerably loyalty from some of the greatest warrior tribes and the largest tribes devoted to agriculture (Well, they all appreciate agriculture, but living in such a fertile region, they do especially so
). As the heart and origin of the Bessarion people, dominance in this area would grant a specific cult considerable economic and symbolic strength in any efforts to unite the people.
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Symphony D.
Deity
Retroactive deletion.
erez87
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Samas
Ocata - A religion of femininity.
Around 674 a new religion begun to spread across Samas. It begun with the preaching of Lenia of Lef. She preached that the old spiritual beliefs were not enough and not full. She preached of 7 gods that rule and shape our world and destinies. She also preached for the continued rule of women over men. She preached for beauty of soul and body and for the showing of emotions among women.
Ocata - A religion of femininity.
Around 674 a new religion begun to spread across Samas. It begun with the preaching of Lenia of Lef. She preached that the old spiritual beliefs were not enough and not full. She preached of 7 gods that rule and shape our world and destinies. She also preached for the continued rule of women over men. She preached for beauty of soul and body and for the showing of emotions among women.
- Riad - Goddess of Birth and creation. The mistress of all that exist. She painfully gave birth to all existence. She is the leader of the gods. Her sign is the color blue. The second planet, the blue one, is considered to be her as she glows every so often of happiness for her children.
- Tamir - God of War and Pain. Husband of Riad. He is the one who gave Riad his sperm to bring the creation of the world. With it he also gave her the ability to feel pain. He is the reason she felt pain in birth. His color his black and the darkest hours of the night are considered his.
- Shania - Goddess of emotions. Sister of Riad. She cannot feel any emotions and yet she speaks of them all day and night. She knows how great they are and her greatest desire is to feel. Her color is Orange and her planet is the third orange one.
- Lamira - Goddess of purity of body. Sister of Riad as well. She has no sexual organs. She preaches the purity of the body and supports a-sexuality and the choice of never sleeping with another. Her color is white and the small quick moon is herself, watching over humans.
- Naharnia - Goddess of wisdom. Daughter of Riad. Born with the creation of humans. She is also the guardian of humans in the pantheon of the goddesses. She is the bringer of wisdom and invention to humans. She brought humans fire and the wheel and continue to send sparks of wisdom and ingenuity from herself to the humans with every thought they have. Her color is yellow as bright as possible and she is described as the sun, as she watches over all humans most of the day, before the night comes and then the other gods watch over them as she rests.
- Neko - God of blind love at first sight and magic. He is what all women are afraid of. He made Naharnia love him from first sight using magical herbs. He is ugly and deformed and in shades of gray and black. The larger darker moon his is and his color is shades of gray. After making Naharnia love him he cheated on her with Shania with promises of making her feel emotions if she makes love to him. His children are the many stars in the night sky that try to block the light from the rest of the goddesses and gods. Most of the day Naharnia blocks his children's light by lighting the skies with her brightness but every night she must rest and so his children can watch over us laughing at us.
- Katia - Goddess of beauty and women's treachery. The most beautiful of the gods and daughter of Riad. Her beauty is said to be beyond any other god, but she does not speak of it as she is afraid it will hurt the other gods. Against Riad will she slept with Tamir. That way she got emotions but also a curse from Riad that all her children will be ugly and disgusting monsters that will have to feed on human flash to survive. Katia spends her time in a physical form on earth trying to rid the world of her children and spreading beauty to try and redeem herself, but inside her there is always a side that tells her to not care for Riad's pain.. The earth herself is her realm of work but her color is bright ping and red and her planet is the first yellow-white one (which she is told to always try and recolor).
JosefStalinator
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OOC: Seriously, what is with these crazy maternal tribes and peace loving philosophies!? Damned hippies
das
Regeneration In Process
It's alright, we'll cull their numbers soon and the balance will be restored. 
JosefStalinator
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das
Regeneration In Process
I was talking more about spreading violence all over the world, but I guess we might as well do that too.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
I think he was referring to the Tsai with the peace-loving part, who won't be around much longer if he carries out his plans properly. I, on the other hand, actually gave them more territory just to make it more interesting...
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
lurker's comment: That is true. Women hold grudges far longer, over smaller things, than men do.
erez87
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Or as my female cousin once said, Women are snakes. Makes you wonder what men find in them...
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
It's not the person men are attracted to.
North King
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OOC: Not only is this discussion incredibly stupid, it's also off-topic. Move it to While We Wait.
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