Apologies, I've had my set done up except from a contribution from Kraz that I've needed to sit down and discuss with him for the past few days. Sooooo in conclusion I blame DotA.
SYSNES2: On the Lathe of Suns
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Apologies, I've had my set done up except from a contribution from Kraz that I've needed to sit down and discuss with him for the past few days. Sooooo in conclusion I blame DotA.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
OOC: I've been twiddling my thumbs waiting for a response to my last PM.
Symphony D.
Deity
Workin' on one for the Knights.
Dis, I have previously acted under the understanding that a 20-bandwidth connection over 3 jumps would require 60 tonnage. Kal'Thzar, however, is insistent that it only requires 20 tonnage.
Also, is there really no way to tell how much shipping capacity goes through each trade route each turn without surveying everyone who shipped through it?
Also, how can I tell that I'm getting my volatiles from SAH7? Doing the math with my stats this turn and last, I had 86 volatiles, I produced 38, and I paid 65 in upkeep and 15 in purchases. Thus, I should have 44, but I have 38. Is there some other loss that I'm missing, or is 35% of the volatiles production of SAH7 -6v?
Also, is there really no way to tell how much shipping capacity goes through each trade route each turn without surveying everyone who shipped through it?
Also, how can I tell that I'm getting my volatiles from SAH7? Doing the math with my stats this turn and last, I had 86 volatiles, I produced 38, and I paid 65 in upkeep and 15 in purchases. Thus, I should have 44, but I have 38. Is there some other loss that I'm missing, or is 35% of the volatiles production of SAH7 -6v?
das
Regeneration In Process
Kal, if you don't agree with my offer, just say so. 
I can afford to wait if you're still weighing things, though.
I can afford to wait if you're still weighing things, though.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
I addressed this in a PM, Kal is right and I have been setting up the routes you give accordingly.
I do collate it when it looks like its exceeding bandwidth, but doing that for every route and producing a report is quite a lot of overhead for me. I could do it if you want to see longer times between updates.
Sorry at this time distance I am unsure what the issue was there. When you have a slight discrepancy chalk it up to a bad random event :C. There is a sufficient number of cells I modify each update that statistically I am bound to get some wrong in either the calc or the transcribing stage.
Symphony D.
Deity
I ran into an interesting question this turn: suppose you acquire tonnage in some arbitrary system. Does it have to be in one of the systems along a route to be immediately assigned to that route, or can you just declare it tonnage and allocate it anywhere?
I can sort of understand both propositions being valid, although talking with Kal I'd agree the latter fits better with the abstracted nature of trade, but the Manual has no guidance on the matter.
I can sort of understand both propositions being valid, although talking with Kal I'd agree the latter fits better with the abstracted nature of trade, but the Manual has no guidance on the matter.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
With you being unable to reclaim ships from merchant shipping, being able to assign them anywhere should be fine. Plus if any idiot thinks to save on upkeep this way the per volume cost of merchant shipping is higher.
You do need to assign them at one of your spaceports or docks, can't just rejigger them for commercial use in the middle of open space.
Symphony D.
Deity
No way man, when you build a highway from New York to L.A., there are clearly no on or off ramps between the two, it's a strict P2P deal!
For a question that's not ridiculous: the rules say nothing about actually needing an interchange facility (e.g., space port, space dock) to unload cargo. Given it was established that non-atmospheric cargo ships can dump cargo into space or on to a planetary surface, it logically follows that trade nets can also make "postal deliveries" of the same nature. I assumed this for orders this turn, for this reason. Is this the case?
For a question that's not ridiculous: the rules say nothing about actually needing an interchange facility (e.g., space port, space dock) to unload cargo. Given it was established that non-atmospheric cargo ships can dump cargo into space or on to a planetary surface, it logically follows that trade nets can also make "postal deliveries" of the same nature. I assumed this for orders this turn, for this reason. Is this the case?
No way man, when you build a highway from New York to L.A., there are clearly no on or off ramps between the two, it's a strict P2P deal!
For a question that's not ridiculous: the rules say nothing about actually needing an interchange facility (e.g., space port, space dock) to unload cargo. Given it was established that non-atmospheric cargo ships can dump cargo into space or on to a planetary surface, it logically follows that trade nets can also make "postal deliveries" of the same nature. I assumed this for orders this turn, for this reason. Is this the case?
I had assumed that multi-jump networks were non-porous tubes. >_>
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
The two termini need to have friendly facilities to enable trade value to be generated, stops along the route do not as long as the merchant capacity assigned has sufficient range (i.e >=2).
No way man, when you build a highway from New York to L.A., there are clearly no on or off ramps between the two, it's a strict P2P deal!
For a question that's not ridiculous: the rules say nothing about actually needing an interchange facility (e.g., space port, space dock) to unload cargo. Given it was established that non-atmospheric cargo ships can dump cargo into space or on to a planetary surface, it logically follows that trade nets can also make "postal deliveries" of the same nature. I assumed this for orders this turn, for this reason. Is this the case?
ChiefDesigner
Sunset Emperor
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No, it's more like a big truck.
Symphony D.
Deity
That's the value of the shares and the route though, not whether hard resources (femv) can be dropped off at those points (and whether there need to be facilities for that to be achieved) which is what both questions were about.
"Did he just say 'making fsck'?"
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
No that is the answer to the question, if there are facilities at the termini primary resources can be dropped off, and they can also be dropped off at intermediate stops without facilities if the number of such stops doesn't exceed the merchants range.
So it works just like the other aspects of setting a merchant route. It doesn't matter if you can drop resources off at the end of a trade route which lacks friendly facilities, because you can't make a trade route that ends somewhere without them. The question C|(A,!B) isn't relevant if (A,!B) isn't an allowed case.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
I think having a countdown is just encouraging people to try and cut things as close as possible .
10/14.5 orders, maybe 11 if Nintz doesn't want to change his preliminary draft. Missing ChiefDesigner, LittleBoots (obviously), and Masada.
.10/14.5 orders, maybe 11 if Nintz doesn't want to change his preliminary draft. Missing ChiefDesigner, LittleBoots (obviously), and Masada.
Symphony D.
Deity
Oh, I see. As long as the system has a terminal, even other worlds in the same system without a terminal themselves still fall under the free resource-movement-in-system rule. But you can't... yeah. Okay, makes sense.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
So you can just dump goods in the atmospheres of mid-trade route worlds and they'll get to their destinations safely? That's kinda cool.