Take that Kim Jong!

[Bamspeedy]

the sunshine initiative which the democratically elected leader of SK ran on to get elected.

The public at the time didn't know South Korea was paying the North several hundred million $ to participate in those talks. Do you think it's possible the North only played along with those talks to get the money with no intention of actually making long term peace?

In 2000, Kim Dae-jung and Kim Jong-il met at a summit meeting, the first between leaders of the two States. After the summit, however, talks between the two States stalled. Criticism of the policy intensified and Unification Minister Lim Dong-won lost a no-confidence vote on September 3, 2001

Credible allegations later came to light that Kim's administration had arranged the 2000 summit meeting with payments worth several hundred million dollars to North Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-South_presidential_summit_corruption_allegations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Dong-won

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

The North Korean government is evil, if anything, we need to take a more harsh stance against the DPRK. It's an illegitimate government and should be retaken by the ROK.

 

[MobBoss]

Speaking of which, you still haven't presented even a single fact that shows the statements in the article I posted were false. You just continue to make allegations with no actual proof.

Saying that it reads like fiction to me is less an allegation and more of a personal review. I generally dont put much stock in the old 'anonymous faceless source' thing. I dont know why anyone would really.

But to counter one canard flipped in your link; Carter maintains to this day that the trip was his idea and his alone; not some backchannel request from Clinton to 'get er done'. He's done the same thing, right or wrong, several different times in the last couple of decades.

 

[emzie]

The North Korean government is evil, if anything, we need to take a more harsh stance against the DPRK. It's an illegitimate government and should be retaken by the ROK.

I assume you'll volunteer right away?

 

[GhostWriter16]

At least it isn't the story of how many North Koreans will likely starve due to their drought and the recent missile firing.

NKorea says severe drought threatens crops, but US help unlikely following April rocket launch

If South Korean and US military are actually going into North Korea, that is an act of war. Can you imagine the outrage if North Korean soldiers were known to be infiltrating and spying on South Korea?

And this from the Daily Hate today:

Did U.S. send paratroopers into North Korea? Military accused of 'secret mission' to spy on nuke Smilies




facilities

Are you legitimately defending North Korea?

Let them die.

I got news for you...the Korean war never officially 'ended'.

This.

 

[kramerfan86]

North Korea is a disgusting dictatorship, one of the worst of the worst on the planet. Bush's blunders are embarrassing, but I think its pretty clear at the end of the day the NK leadership has no plans to remove itself from power so better relations with South Korea would hardly have helped out your average North Korean.

 

[GhostWriter16]

My suggestion is send assassins to kill as many people in their government/key military positions as possible and hopefully their government would collapse by nature of not having anyone that's able to lead it. Saves the trouble of having to kill a million NK soldiers that don't necessarily deserve to die, losing hundreds of thousands of US/SK soldiers that certainly do not deserve to die, and hopefully reunite Korea.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ecial-forces-parachuted-into-North-Korea.html


How was this allowed to be made public?! First question.
Second, what?! How had this not resulted in some news before this?!
Third, is the Telegraph a good source?
Fourth, why is the Telegraph reporting this, and not CNN or the NYTs?

Reminds me of Red Phoenix.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I got news for you...the Korean war never officially 'ended'.

I dont think it would be wise if the US was the ones that trigger a resumption of the war Mobboss. Having the high(er) ground in a war is important for democracy's.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Are you legitimately defending North Korea?

Point out where I have done any such thing.

I am merely stating that North Korea was more than willing to not build nukes until GWB pressured them into doing so. The details are all in the story I posted earlier which have still not been rebutted.

This warmongering in a distant foreign land that didn't threaten the US in the least has caused large segments of the population of what was quite likely our staunchest ally to hate the US government for directly threatening their lives over nothing but absurd rhetoric from the Bush administration. Can you really blame them?

This was quite likely the biggest diplomatic blunder since Reagan almost started WWIII with a nation that was already on the ropes and failing quickly.

 

[MobBoss]

Thousands of South Koreans go to North Korean beach resorts every year as tourists.

Where did you get your information on this? I'd like to see it.

 

[r16]

pyonyang has been regularly aggressive over the years , the only claim might be that the South has now taken the lead in aggression stuff , trusting the undefeatable West tech and finances . Though good old Americans crossing the border would make no difference . Why should it anyhow ?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Where did you get your information on this? I'd like to see it.

There was a thread several months ago about the 'real' North Korea that photographed how the elite live and tries to pass that off as 'normal' North Koreans. Two kids playing on a beach, 3 people at an amusement park, the only fast food restaurant in a city of millions has 6 customers, 4 men all dressed the same (military?) playing billiards those pictures are all supposed to represent the average North Korean on the average day.

 

[Oerdin]

I forget, it was something like 15 or 20 years ago.

Yeah it has been going on for decades. We've even dug intercept tunnels to some of the longer ones which are now part of the DMZ tunnel tours when you go to the DMZ though now days we normally slant drill to them and slide down explosive charges to collapse the tunnels. This has been S.O.P on the DMZ for decades.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Point out where I have done any such thing.

I am merely stating that North Korea was more than willing to not build nukes until GWB pressured them into doing so. The details are all in the story I posted earlier which have still not been rebutted.

This warmongering in a distant foreign land that didn't threaten the US in the least has caused large segments of the population of what was quite likely our staunchest ally to hate the US government for directly threatening their lives over nothing but absurd rhetoric from the Bush administration. Can you really blame them?

This was quite likely the biggest diplomatic blunder since Reagan almost started WWIII with a nation that was already on the ropes and failing quickly.

George Bush did not turn the DPRK into an evil militaristic nuclear power, it's what North Korea is. If Al gore were elected, the same would happen.

 

[kochman]

Some people live in a fantasy world where Obama is a conservative and Bush was the devil... let them have their time here on the internet to explain it to us, it is fascinating to see how a brain can process information in such an incredibly diverse way.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Thread delivers

 

[emzie]

Where did you get your information on this? I'd like to see it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kumgang_Tourist_Region

 

[Hygro]

My suggestion is send assassins to kill as many people in their government/key military positions as possible and hopefully their government would collapse by nature of not having anyone that's able to lead it. Saves the trouble of having to kill a million NK soldiers that don't necessarily deserve to die, losing hundreds of thousands of US/SK soldiers that certainly do not deserve to die, and hopefully reunite Korea.

Unfortunately best case scenario is that we fail miserably but cover our tracks. Second best case scenario lower level people would step up and it wouldn't work as intended.

Other scenarios are horrific including:

• Lack of administration in a country with no effective market system leading to mass starvation worse than the numbers you have above, and no move toward any kind of free state.
• Lack of control means loads and loads of North Koreans flee to China and South Korea. Many die or are maimed crossing the minefields. Chaos erupts in South Korea
• The North Korean government responds in time by shelling Seoul and hundreds of thousands or plausibly millions die.
• North Korea nukes Seoul, Japan, or posssssibly Hawaii or somewhere on the West Coast of the US given rumors of their missile capabilities (I doubt it).
• An awful combination of the above, whilst war breaks out anyway and the bad stuff you tried to stave off occurs simultaneously with these scenarios.

Assassinations are messy, especially when you're trying to kill enough people to end a regime (hundreds? thousands?)

 

[MobBoss]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kumgang_Tourist_Region

In July 2008, Park Wang-ja, a 53 year old South Korean tourist, was shot twice and killed when she entered a military area, according to the North Korean government.

Yeah, sounds like a real fun place to visit. I guess Form forgot to mention its been closed off since 2008 because of this shooting.