Tancredo: If attacked, bomb Mecca!

[BirraImperial]

Nuking Mecca and killing millions of innocent people its not gonna solve things. Bombing a sovereign state would bring instant world condemnation and WWIII would really start. Russia, Pakistan and other nuclear powers would threaten to nuke the US for this atrocity and the whole world would come to an end as we know it. Not a good idea at all.

 

[JohnRM]

I'm waiting for a Saudi official to say "if the US nukes Mecca and Medina, we'll wipe Tel Aviv and Haifa off the map."

The Saudis don't have the power to do that.

 

[IglooDame]

The Saudis don't have the power to do that.

No, but the Pakistanis definitely do, and arguably some other predominantly Muslim neighbors also do, and the Saudis have quite a bit of leverage in that chunk of the world resting under their sand and in their bank accounts.

 

[Patroklos]

Pakistan doesn't have the power to do that either.

 

[IglooDame]

Pakistan doesn't have the power to do that either.

Pakistan is an acknowledged nuclear power, right? Israel doesn't have the nuclear physics expertise or resources that the US has, and from what I gather we still can't adequately screen for radioactive material being shipped into this country. You think Israel is going to be any farther along in this regard than we are?

I daresay that since the scenario has at its root that terrorists get a nuclear weapon into the most advanced, powerful country in the world, that with the resources of an actual nuclear-capable country at their disposal and properly motivated by their holiest shrine being vaporized someone could do the same to Israel.

 

[drachasor]

I am not really sure that nuking Mecca and Medina can be considered genocide, though. Mass murder, perhaps, but that is not technically the same thing.

This is what he's said:

No, man. Fudge that fudging crap! If we're attacked with nukes, bioweapons, or chem-weapons, then the time to hesitate is through. If we start losing Americans, a hundred thousand at a time, then YES, I am willing to commit genocide against Muslims to prevent the genocide of Americans.

 

[useless]

I'm waiting for a Saudi official to say "if the US nukes Mecca and Medina, we'll wipe Tel Aviv and Haifa off the map."

as if america cares about israel.

 

[drachasor]

Also, that was a pathetic attempt and trying to compare me to Hitler. The Jews didn't nuke Munich to spark the "Final Solution". Kudos, anyway, you are a truly learned one at the art of internet forum debate, Mr. Chamberlain.

Was it? You said you are willing to commit genocide against the Muslims. Now answer the question. Do you also advocate in that situation arresting and killing Muslims who are American citizens?

-Drachasor

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

This is what he's said:

Okay, he said he would hypothetically support genocide. But my point, as irrelevant as it now appears to be, still stands; merely nuking two cities would not constitute genocide.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I would immediately destroy Medina and announce that any follow-up nuclear (WMD) attack on the US would result in the destruction of Mecca. I thought I had already covered this. If they go forth and destroy another city, then I would go forth and destroy Islam. Believe me, I don't want it to come to this, but if that is what is going to stop our people from being wiped out, then so be it. I will make that decision. Deep down, in your heart of hearts, you know that the majority of Americans will be right behind me, and probably some of you, too. Well, not The Yankee, he'd be dead.

No need for John HSOG to reply. He already posted this (presumably The Yankee is a muslim, correct?).

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

No, the Yankee lives in NYC. Hence he would probably not survive a nuclear attack on the city.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Ah OK then.

At least Hitler only managed to kill 6 million where John is advocating genocide against a billion. So I don't think comparing to Hitler is in the same league really.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Yes, but Hitler actually did it - big difference there.

 

[JohnRM]

So, if terrorists would threaten to briefcase-nuke New York if the troops aren't pulled out of Iraq, you would want the troop being pulled out of Iraq?

After all, it is in your best intrest not to have New York nuked.

No, I'd tell them that if they nuke NYC, we destroy Mecca.

 

[The Yankee]

Well, not The Yankee, he'd be dead.

Wow, thanks.

 

[The Yankee]

No need for John HSOG to reply. He already posted this (presumably The Yankee is a muslim, correct?).

Nope. Standard issue Christian white guy, though not really devout.

No, the Yankee lives in NYC. Hence he would probably not survive a nuclear attack on the city.

Depends...if it's small enough and I happen to be in Brooklyn while they put the bomb in Midtown Manhattan, I might be okay for a few days...But I'd probably get radiation poisoning quickly enough.

Either way, I'm screwed.

 

[The Yankee]

Were do people get they idea that terrorist are planning to kill mass numbers of civilians? They don't have that capability. They are like barbarians in civilization. They are an annoyance at most. They aren't nearly as big a threat as are other nations that actually do have the means to wipe out entire cities.

Those video game barbarians don't have large amounts of money or possible connections to people like A. Q. Khan hoping for quick bucks.

It's a lot different than a random guy with an axe in Civilization. Even in real life, some of the barbarian and/or nomad groups caused quite a few fatalities back in the day.

No, but the Pakistanis definitely do, and arguably some other predominantly Muslim neighbors also do, and the Saudis have quite a bit of leverage in that chunk of the world resting under their sand and in their bank accounts.

I don't know if Pakistan has the means to deliver their warheads to Israel or not. But Israel would have their hands full with numerous armies and militias, probably more so than the wars 40 years ago. Israel may hold out for quite a bit, but I'm not sure they could keep it up for too long.

 

[JohnRM]

No, but the Pakistanis definitely do, and arguably some other predominantly Muslim neighbors also do, and the Saudis have quite a bit of leverage in that chunk of the world resting under their sand and in their bank accounts.

No, they Pakistanis don't have that power, either. They have gravity bombs and that is it. They are no threat to the country.

 

[drachasor]

Was it? You said you are willing to commit genocide against the Muslims. Now answer the question. Do you also advocate in that situation arresting and killing Muslims who are American citizens?

I am serious about this question, John HSOG, will you answer it?

 

[IglooDame]

No, they Pakistanis don't have that power, either. They have gravity bombs and that is it. They are no threat to the country.

Your average dumb air-dropped gravity bomb would fit in your standard shipping container, right? With room enough to modify the fuse to fire on timer or pager call rather than altimeter?