Team GONG Embassy

[Aigburth]

I would prefer luxuries as they are more flexible. Gpt would reduce our deficit and allow research at 70% for longer. Luxuries would hopefully allow us to lower the lux slider, we then have the choice to either run science at a higher percentage for the same deficit or keep science at 70% for a reduced deficit.

 

[donsig]

Any thoughts on which proposed note is better? Seems something with the best of both might be good. We could send Peter's since he puts the ball in their court to make an offer.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

At some point, we are going to build caths in our major cities.

This will give us 8 content, before luxes (1 born, temple, 3 caths *2). To get to 12, we need 4 luxes, which we get by our 2 natives, plus 1 from FREE + a market. So we won't NEED more luxes.... however, if we build hospitals, we will need more luxes.

That's the reason to get luxes.

The reason to not get luxes is because GONG, currently, has a victory condition lined up and it will probably hurt them more to give GPT than luxes.

overall, I think we should get luxes.

 

[donsig]

Well, now should we add something asking about the green ships we saw?

 

[Paul#42]

We should.

And we could tell them that we sent our Dyes and Gems on this turn 154 and that we'd like to get something in exchange for it.
That we'd favor a lux and 20gpt or alike...

I hope I got this without-accept-thing right:
I sent without accept so they can add something on their side and send back with accept so I can seal the deal, right?

Native speakers, step up!

 

[Niklas]

Yes, you got the without-accept-thing right.

 

[donsig]

So who will be brave enough to send a message in the General's absence?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I'll send something.

How about:

"Dear Cultured Ones:

We look upon the fair designs of your national galleys and caravels with awe as they brave the ocean depths near our land. We hope they are safe out there - we offer sanctuary to any of your brave sailors who do not survive the treacherous waters.

We do wish to inquire as to the intentions of these sailors so far from home - our experiences have led us to some paranoia, as the last nation to sail near our waters landed armed forces on our homeland. We hope that your brave sailors are merely interested in exploring our watery world."

What do you guys think?

I used awe because Civ Assist says we are in awe of their culture. Actually, we seem to be right in the middle of the culture bar - we are impressed with free, saber is impressed with us and BABE is in awe of us

 

[Paul#42]

"Dear Cultured Ones:

We look upon the fair designs of your national galleys and caravels with awe as they brave the ocean depths near our land. We hope they are safe out there - we offer sanctuary to any of your brave sailors who do not survive the treacherous waters.

We do wish to inquire as to the intentions of these sailors so far from home - our experiences have led us to some paranoia, as the last nation to sail near our waters landed armed forces on our homeland. We hope that your brave sailors are merely interested in exploring our watery world."

Sounds good to me. Is to barve the ocean depth common (poetic) language?

We should however add some sentence about the initiated trade.
We sent gems and dyes this turn and would like to receive something.
Another luxury and money would be best. 20gpt for a start?
Two luxuries would be fair, also.

 

[peter grimes]

Are we willing to allow them to map our coastline? If so, then the letter is OK. If not, we should request that they withdraw under the threat of Frigates

 

[General_W]

I think we should go ahead and let them map our coast. We don’t want to start a war right now (I’m pretty sure ) and realistically, we can’t stop them short of that. As long as they stay outside of our borders, they won’t learn a lot of great value anyway. Best to stay friendly, imo.

Here’s my stab at a letter:
(building on AutoTellers excellent start…

Dear Cultured Ones of the Great Gong Show,

We’ve recently had the privilege of gazing upon your beautiful and awe-inspiring galleys and caravels! Council ministers have reported a boost in the cultrure rating of our sea-side cities, just for having seen these magnificent boats! We hope they are safe out there as they brave the ocean depths near our land. Please know that we will offer sanctuary to any of your brave sailors who do not survive the treacherous waters. But otherwise, we humbly request you stay outside of our cultural borders… we fear a revolt of the people if they get an even closer look!

Also, we wish to inquire as to the intentions of these sailors so far from home - our experiences have led us to some paranoia, as the last nation to sail near our waters landed armed forces on our homeland. We hope that your brave sailors are merely interested in exploring our watery world. Please let us know.

Finally, when you get the next save, you’ll notice we have put an offer of some of The Council’s world-famous luxuries on the negotiating table. Can we interest you in a trade to benefit both our peoples?
We’d like to get at least one luxury in return – but are prepared to accept 20gpt in lieu of a second luxury. Any interest?

All the Best,
Your Friends and cultural admirers,
General_W, speaking with the voice of The Council

Thoughts? Edits?

 

[zyxy]

We’d like to get at least one luxury in return – but are prepared to accept 20gpt in lieu of a second luxury. Any interest?

This line confuses me - I suppose we want 2 luxes, or 1 lux + 20 gpt.

cultrure = culture.

Apart from that, letter looks very good to me, andit probably needs to be sent soon, before the save gets to GONG.

 

[General_W]

Good catches zyxy. That line can certainly be cleaned up.
Here’s version 1.2

Dear Cultured Ones of the Great Gong Show,

We’ve recently had the privilege of gazing upon your beautiful and awe-inspiring galleys and caravels! Council ministers have reported a boost in the culture rating of our sea-side cities, just for having seen these magnificent boats! We hope they are safe out there as they brave the ocean depths near our land. Please know that we will offer sanctuary to any of your brave sailors who do not survive the treacherous waters. But otherwise, we humbly request you stay outside of our cultural borders… we fear a revolt of the people if they get an even closer look!

Also, we wish to inquire as to the intentions of these sailors so far from home - our experiences have led us to some paranoia, as the last nation to sail near our waters landed armed forces on our homeland. We hope that your brave sailors are merely interested in exploring our watery world. Please let us know.

Finally, when you get the next save, you’ll notice we have put an offer of two of The Council’s world-famous luxuries on the negotiating table. Can we interest you in a trade to benefit both our peoples?
Of course, our preference would be to get two luxury items in return. However, we are prepared to also accept 1 luxury and 20gpt if that is more appealing to you.
Any interest?

All the Best,
Your Friends and cultural admirers,
General_W, speaking with the voice of The Council

I agree we should send this out asap. Will send in the next 8 hours or so, depending on comments and how the save moves.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I think we should suggest a straight 2 lux for 2 lux deal. If they don't HAVE two luxes to trade us, then we can talk about gpt, but we should remember that luxes 3 and 4 give us 2 happy faces each in our cities with markets.

Frankly, I think they are getting the better deal out of it, as they have more citizens and, I assume, are still whipping so have more unhappiness to deal with.

 

[Paul#42]

I think we should suggest a straight 2 lux for 2 lux deal. If they don't HAVE two luxes to trade us, then we can talk about gpt, but we should remember that luxes 3 and 4 give us 2 happy faces each in our cities with markets.

That's why one is enough, we already got our third from FREE.
OTOH we'll get another one from SABER soon.

That's why I'm open for both. I think 20gpt is quite a lot, I'd be surprised if they'd do that. And money is going to hurt them just the same. Upkeep is one of the toughest concerns in 100k.

I'd send it.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

ahh.

Then I think we'll get 2 luxes back. Actually, I might be happier getting lots of luxes anyway - with caths and markets, we can do a lot of drafting if we want, or kick off WLKD.

 

[donsig]

I think we'd take 2 luxes or one lux and 20gpt -but not one lux for two. As long as that's clear to them let's send this.

 

[zyxy]

Sounds & looks good - let's send it off!

 

[General_W]

Ok! Sending now to GONG gmail.

 

[General_W]

We have a very rapid response back from GONG:

Dear Team Council,

You have nothing to fear from our boats which are just on a bit of a sightseeing cruise. We will respect your territorial waters and keep our party out to sea. We will accept your offer of luxury trade on the next turn.

Regards,
PrinceMyshkin

Not much detail there – but still, it’s certainly good news