Tech tree statistics and ingame tech tree.

[JosEPh_II]

Looks like Dragoon and Lancer have switched tech requirements in addition to switched up upgrades.

Thanks for doing this for me Raxxo. Merry Christmas.

 

[KaTiON_PT]

Don't forget to update your tree era intervals.

 

[raxo2222]

Don't forget to update your tree era intervals.

Done

At 50% of game date is 1950 AD - 1960 AD - dawn of space race.

 

[raxo2222]

I added WorldBuilder tech buttons - updated version of what you see in beginning of main Caveman2Cosmos threads
When zoomed out there is yellowish tint in past techs and blueish tint in future techs, that you can see in background of "randomness".
Blue tint is darker in future eras.

 

[raxo2222]

Updated tech tree, since Modern Lifestyle got renamed to Atomic Lifestyle.
Atomic era sounds cooler, also it fits theme now

That is if there were epochs encompassing multiple eras, then it would be something like this:
Natural epoch (Prehistoric/Ancient/Classical/Medieval) - Civilization is forming itself
Technological epoch (Renaissance/Industrial/Atomic/Information/Nanotech) - Civilization discovers, that universe has rules and is starting to have too much fun
Space epoch (Transhuman/Galactic/Cosmic/Transcendent) - Civilization slowly becomes one with technology as it colonizes universe.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Updated tech tree, since Modern Lifestyle got renamed to Atomic Lifestyle.
Atomic era sounds cooler, also it fits theme now

That is if there were epochs encompassing multiple eras, then it would be something like this:
Natural epoch (Prehistoric/Ancient/Classical/Medieval) - Civilization is forming itself
Technological epoch (Renaissance/Industrial/Atomic/Information/Nanotech) - Civilization discovers, that universe has rules and is starting to have too much fun
Space epoch (Transhuman/Galactic/Cosmic/Transcendent) - Civilization slowly becomes one with technology as it colonizes universe.

Those are the boundaries at which you have the trait layers established. The first tiers are available immediately, 2nd tiers open up at Ren Lifestyle, and third opens up at Transhuman.

 

[raxo2222]

Those are the boundaries at which you have the trait layers established. The first tiers are available immediately, 2nd tiers open up at Ren Lifestyle, and third opens up at Transhuman.

Make Civilization Great Again twice

How players and AI will upgrade leader traits?

 

[Yudishtira]

Atomic era sounds cooler, also it fits theme now

Sorry have to disagree. There were real advances in this era: Relativity etc., television and cinema, solar system exploration, air travel, and minority rights.
Fortunately we were fated otherwise, but the Cult of the Atom very nearly ensured that this was our last era. I'm never going to call it that. I suggest Global Era referencing air travel.

Also what theme does it fit? You mean the icon in your sig?

 

[Toffer90]

Sorry have to disagree. There were real advances in this era: Relativity etc., television and cinema, solar system exploration, air travel, and minority rights.

Are you saying there were no real advances in atomic physics during that era, or are you simply stating that you do not think atomic era is a "cool" name for it?

 

[raxo2222]

Sorry have to disagree. There were real advances in this era: Relativity etc., television and cinema, solar system exploration, air travel, and minority rights.
Fortunately we were fated otherwise, but the Cult of the Atom very nearly ensured that this was our last era. I'm never going to call it that. I suggest Global Era referencing air travel.

Also what theme does it fit? You mean the icon in your sig?

Well what do you think quantum mechanics is? Its best theory, that describes behavior of atoms.
A lot of developments rely on quantum mechanics including nuclear power, that you are referring.
Only relativity and minority rights are decoupled from theory that describes atoms by looking at your list.
Electronics is very widely used everywhere, and there is quantum mechanics all way at bottom of it.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Sorry have to disagree. There were real advances in this era: Relativity etc., television and cinema, solar system exploration, air travel, and minority rights.
Fortunately we were fated otherwise, but the Cult of the Atom very nearly ensured that this was our last era. I'm never going to call it that. I suggest Global Era referencing air travel.

Also what theme does it fit? You mean the icon in your sig?

The fact that the splitting of the atom changed the perspective of humanity is why it should be called this era. This was the most profound psychological realization taking place, that science had reached a pinnacle to enable this much destruction and empowerment, and that science in all pursuits was beginning to achieve this much power, that man had really graduated into becoming something more than he had ever been before, opening the door to dreams of limitless potential. The weapon became the proof of our ascension to a new level, and it also meant we would forever more live with the potential that we could undo ourselves and everything about the planet in a moment of irrational action. It was as if suddenly all humanity realized at once how much responsibility it had burdened itself with through its achievements. Ages are marked by how they change us as a whole on both the large scale and individual basis. War would never again be a trivial matter that merely threatened the lives of those who went to fight in them. They would threaten all. Borders could no longer be relatively mutable and contested without enormous risks, for the power of nations was too great to put to direct conflict. Now, the power of surveillance and espionage, shadow wars fought beneath the surface in the realms of deniability, would become paramount. All because we learned how to split an atom.

 

[Yudishtira]

I see you have a copy of the Atom Cult scriptures. The assertions are either untrue, or nothing new. Wars had never affected civilians before?

In particular, the bomb taking credit for the end of world wars is like the Black Death taking credit for the Renaissance.

 

[Thunderbrd]

I see you have a copy of the Atom Cult scriptures. The assertions are either untrue, or nothing new. Wars had never affected civilians before?

In particular, the bomb taking credit for the end of world wars is like the Black Death taking credit for the Renaissance.

Wars would never offer the opportunity for the destruction of all life on Earth previously, and they were not likely to cause all within a metropolis area to perish in a collective and singular moment. Previously, nearly all had access to the most destructive weaponry, but now it would be a constant struggle to keep the strongest weapons out of the hands of minority interests who could inflict that damage without the automatic fear of mutual annihilation due to being a decentralized force.

I mean, pretty much you just have to play the era without the No Nukes option to see what I mean... it changes everything when that pandora's box becomes unlocked. And if you think it doesn't have any kind of mass art and psychological impact in every corner of every society in the world, look deeper at how things changed and why. People live a little different when they fear it could all end in a sudden unexpected moment.

Even your objection further confirms the reality of it's impact. It's not like we're firmly out of the woods either... we just feel a little better about it now because we've managed to maintain peace without the use of these weapons for so long that it's becoming harder to believe it would likely happen at all. We're probably going to be in for a very big and deeply disturbing shock someday when we wake up to a major city missing from the face of the Earth.

And yet for all these negatives, it's just another part of what it means for the Human race to grow into something more than the children we've been all this time. And yet we still push our games of superiority as far as we can. We'll learn someday. Or we'll all be gone.


EDIT: If you call recognition of these facts a 'cult', then I'm not sure we agree on what the meaning of the term 'cult' is.

 

[Yudishtira]

Even your objection further confirms the reality of it's impact. It's not like we're firmly out of the woods either... we just feel a little better about it now because we've managed to maintain peace without the use of these weapons for so long that it's becoming harder to believe it would likely happen at all. We're probably going to be in for a very big and deeply disturbing shock someday when we wake up to a major city missing from the face of the Earth.

Eras are named for advances, not for the worst thing that happened. Otherwise, let's change Medieval to the Plague Era, and Classical to the Era of Tyranny.

 

[raxo2222]

Eras are named for advances, not for the worst thing that happened. Otherwise, let's change Medieval to the Plague Era, and Classical to the Era of Tyranny.

Do you realize, that atoms are more than just nukes?
Nukes are just one of many consequences of this theory, that had huge influence in 20th century.

Atomic era is named like that because of revolution, that was caused by understanding what atoms are.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Eras are named for advances, not for the worst thing that happened. Otherwise, let's change Medieval to the Plague Era, and Classical to the Era of Tyranny.

It really isn't the worst thing that happened. But it WAS the most profound, and what changed the perspective of all people living in that time in a dominant manner.

It might be equally as possible to name the Medieval era to the Plague Era, except that the plague wasn't an invention, something we earned, a marked achievement. And we largely did wrap that concept up as a large part of what it means to live in Medieval times. It was also called the Dark Ages and the plague was a big reason for that. Nevertheless, it wasn't a human accomplishment but something we encountered. The atomic revolution created revolution on a scientific, military, social level.

As for Classical being termed the Tyranny age, I suppose it could be named that. The more standard term would be the Iron Age, again, for what new technology had changed everything about life for all people everywhere. And I certainly wouldn't be against calling it that but we've long settled on Classical and there's no good reason to change it, whereas you can NOT call an age the Now Age, particularly when it isn't now.

 

[Toffer90]

Eras are named for advances, not for the worst thing that happened. Otherwise, let's change Medieval to the Plague Era, and Classical to the Era of Tyranny.

Atomic is not a negative word, the atom is not evil, the atom is a fundamental building block of our reality.
Without the advancement called atomic physics we would today live in a steampunk world without electronics the way we know it today.
Quantum mechanic would be nonsense without atomic physics as an existing foundation.

 

[Yudishtira]

Are you saying there were no real advances in atomic physics during that era, or are you simply stating that you do not think atomic era is a "cool" name for it?

We are indoctrinated to celebrate and memorialize only the worst of (among other things) our recent history. This one is worse because it references all the sociopathically false propaganda we were force-fed about winnable nuclear war and safe nuclear power. I won't be having any part of it. I'll be calling it the Modern or Global Era until another name is arrived at.

 

[Toffer90]

We are indoctrinated to celebrate and memorialize only the worst of (among other things) our recent history. This one is worse because it references all the sociopathically false propaganda we were force-fed about winnable nuclear war and safe nuclear power. I won't be having any part of it. I'll be calling it the Modern or Global Era until another name is arrived at.

I don't understand what you are on about here, atomic means "immeasurably small" and the atomic era reference the scientific advancement in understanding how atoms and electrons behave.
C2C would never exist without that advancement, because semiconductors would be "magic" without that understanding, and the development of tiny semiconductor transistors in a computer would be quite improbable.

 

[raxo2222]

We are indoctrinated to celebrate and memorialize only the worst of (among other things) our recent history. This one is worse because it references all the sociopathically false propaganda we were force-fed about winnable nuclear war and safe nuclear power. I won't be having any part of it. I'll be calling it the Modern or Global Era until another name is arrived at.

There was period in late Industrial era where physics were losing steam - it seemed to be complete except for few "anomalies", then new theories including quantum mechanics explained those - possibility of nuclear war is only one of unfortunate consequences, just like Industrial era made our civilization not safe for environment

Civilization in next era gets more dangerous for surroundings than in previous one - in last era you could delete half of living beings in universe trough hyperspace if you wanted to.

Everybody knows, that nuclear war on large scale = RIP technological civilization.
Also nuclear power IS safest way to obtain large amount of energy.