Term 3 Provincial Congress.

[Sir Donald III]

I was indeed refering to the map on Post 11. The Yellow Line designates the new Boundary between Edo and Triba.

Well, the borders as I laid them out were such that they affected the current boundary lines as little as possible. Plus the fact that we currently have only 1 Anti-Corruption Focus.

I also must admit that I favored Odawara as the FP city anyway. (Veii and Rome are too far East, IMHO. I personally would've favored Doomsville/Antium, but...)

Anyway, I had planned on, if we do a palace jump, incorperating some of Edo's Western Cities (or future cities) into Zarnia and Kitakinu, and perhaps moving Old Pompei (M. Chunk) back to Territoria Triba.

Then again, if Rome gains the FP, then I'd probably split Territoria Triba into 2, with our current cities Northern Sector, and the Rest (from Pisae-Cat. South) into a Southern Sector, adding Elippi and Uruk.

Hm... perhaps it's better to leave things wait until the FP discussion is closed. Which will occur soon...

EDIT: Veii won the Poll 5-5-7-5. Guess back to the drawing board with regards to drawing the South Continent...

 

[MOTH]

With Veii destined to get the FP, I suggest that borders in post #11 be changed so that Balder's Gate and Ravenna be included in Edo province. I also would request that the line between Triba and HAI-RANDO be closer to a straigt line. The primary reason for this is that there is 1 hill that is in both Ellipi and Pisae's temple radius. This is the only hill in Ellipi's temple radius, so it should be in HAI-RANDO province. The other zig-zags don't seem to have a reason either, so just straighten them out.

 

[ali]

I'm assuming you mean population equality between each province, and of course I have no idea what this means. You want each province to have the same # of people in it? That's hard, since cities grow at different paces.

Capital territory as in something like Washington, DC right? Who would run the capital though?

Occupied/newly captured cities fall under control of the Domestic Ministry. The military would be too bogged down and that would cause an uneven balance of powers.

Yes something like DC uumm is that like similar to Australias ACT?? io think it is yep i was thinking the federal government....i think it would be interesting if the domestic minister controled these new cities captured until growth allows for our citzens to outnumber the captured peoples and should be called territories......yea i think we should calculate the growth rate and population levels that will make it fairer so we can have a equal wealth distributed between the provinces to be more fair

 

[Sir Donald III]

Since we won't have the FP until later, I'll just go ahead and set up my request in Post #11. Off I go to the Governors.

If and when we get the FP in Veii, I'll readjust the borders then.

 

[MOTH]

As indicated in post #22, I would like to see one additional hill included in HAI-RANDO and the line be a little straighter in general. The proposed border is in red in the attachment. The hill that should be part of HAI-RANDO is the only hill in the expanded radius of Ellipi. The other hill just north can be in HAI-RANDO just ot make the line straight. As it is not in the temple radius of any city other than Pisae it won't be an issue.

 

[Epimethius]

To say it again, I don't think we should be planning ahead and carving up anything we don't have. We need to decide what to do with Rome, and we have. And if we conquer new things, they'll go under the lined provinces set up already. But we should wait until we actually conquer them to do anything further, because a lot might have changed.

Besides, those provinces are way too big.

 

[Sir Donald III]

Will this work, Governor?

 

[MOTH]

Thats good for me. Thanks

 

[blackheart]

Looks good SD3. Who will be the new governors? (Hopefully me )

 

[invy]

Proposal accepted! (at least from my side )

 

[Epimethius]

Did I say something? I could've sworn I objected. Maybe only I heard it...I guess as only a deputy governor I don't get much say in the government.

To say it again: Do not extend the proposal beyond our current borders. The provinces layed out in those directions are short sighted and are, even now, far too large and badly organized. The only change needed is to seperate Rome. When and if we conquer anything else we can chop it up however.

 

[MOTH]

Did I say something? I could've sworn I objected. Maybe only I heard it...I guess as only a deputy governor I don't get much say in the government.

To say it again: Do not extend the proposal beyond our current borders. The provinces layed out in those directions are short sighted and are, even now, far too large and badly organized. The only change needed is to seperate Rome. When and if we conquer anything else we can chop it up however.

Epi, check out the constitution. It says something to the affect that provincial borders will be decided by the house before expansion. Bythis article, we were amiss when the 1st provincial discussions were made.

Edit: from the constitution:

Article O
The area contained within the national boundaries of Japanatica
shall be divided into areas called provinces, each of which
is under the control of a Governor as stated in Article E. of the
Constitution. These boundries must be defined and approved by
the House well ahead of expansion, and may extend beyond the
cultural boundaries. City locations shall be determined by the
Will of the People.

Emphasis in bold was mine.

 

[TimBentley]

I would like the border northeast of Tugela and Mpondo moved a little farther to get most of the city's tiles in the same province, but otherwise it's fine.

 

[Sir Donald III]

Would this work, Governor Tim?

 

[TimBentley]

I'd like to include the iron and irrigated grassland near Mpondo in Kitakinu, and I just realized the border with Edo could move northwest one tile to get more of Hlobane in Edo.

 

[Sir Donald III]

Technically, Provincial Boundaries do not prevent micromanagement of cities on tiles outside of the city's province.

Although, I do appreciate a good natural border.

Your Gift to Edo is accepted, and you get the Iron Hill. The Grassland "Technically" Stays "Out-of-state", but Mpondo is not prevented from working it.

Is this Okay?

 

[TimBentley]

Yes, that's good.

 

[Epimethius]

That line about doing it well ahead is, well, stupid. Its a good policy, but it shouldn't be in the constitution. And that doesn't mean you have to set up bad lines two terms ahead, it means decide what your going to do when you know you'll have it soon.

We have planned ahead of expantion. Those lines from the first one extend all the way across. They worked this time, and they'll work in the future. I'm even fine with drawing the lines to the south, because it is (unfortunately) likely that we'll be expanding down there. But we do not need to be dividing up the north. Why not divide up Germany while we're at it?

And just divide France in two, don't pretend its half Zulu. They provinces are bloated as they are, and will be pits of corruption if we ever get them in the first place.

 

[blackheart]

Considering how much paperwork it takes to get a province created I'd say this is sufficient planning for expansion.

 

[Epimethius]

I'm sure whatever poor bastard ends up with the corrupt behemoth of Zulu-France will thank you for being so lazy as to do all your work so far ahead of time.

If you'd simply stuck to Rome this would've past the House a week ago. Instead, you went overboard chopping up the whole continent into portions that no governor with a life of his own would dare touch, and that follow no logical boundaries, long before you even have a chance of conquering them and knowing what should logically go where.