Terror plot foiled in Canada.

I am glad they foiled the attack, one really needs to wonder what they are trying to achieve in Canada with an attack?

Anyway, I thought of linking this article written by the daugther of the former Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir, the controversial social activist, Marina Mahathir. I thought it was a brilliant piece of article.

The followers

MUSINGS
By MARINA MAHATHIR

A FRIEND was relating how after her daughter had read the Da Vinci Code, she had wanted to read the Bible. Which is not in itself a bad thing except that she was concerned that an impressionable young mind would not be able to differentiate fact from fiction. Also it seemed that perhaps what was needed is a Da Vinci Code-type book for Muslims to spark off the same level of interest in young people in their own religion.

Except that if anyone tried to write a similar thriller based around Islam, they’d be hounded and pilloried and threatened with death, thousands would riot in protest and people who would never have been able to read the book either because they are illiterate or can’t afford it would have died.

Such is the difference between our religions. While there are many Christians who are upset about the book and movie, they are countering it with seminars and other educational events to balance what is being said in the book, even if the book is only fiction. There have not been Da Vinci Code-related riots or deaths thus far. Which speaks volumes for the adherents of the faith.

It would be nice if everyone could brush off similar challenges and say “we are strong enough to withstand any attack”. Even if a book or a movie becomes a runaway hit, compared to the total number of any faith’s followers, the numbers sold can never match it. Books are by nature, in a world where illiteracy is still common, a luxury item. As are American movies, no matter what arguments people make about cultural imperialism.

I remember when there were riots over Salman Rushdie’s book The Satanic Verses, President Benazir Bhutto commented wryly that the people who were dying over the book were those who would never have read it, or possibly even heard of it if someone hadn’t whipped them into a frenzy. A similar situation arose with the cartoons. As insensitive as they were, they were still not worth dying over.

The point is that people’s impressions of a religion are often related to the behaviour of its adherents. Some religions are thought of as simply kooky because its followers behave strangely. Some are viewed as benign and peaceful because its followers resolutely will not harm a fly.

But when people, supposedly in the name of religion, riot, burn and kill, it can’t help but give the impression of a religion that advocates this, no matter how much we point out that nowhere in religious texts itself does it say you should do this. And unfortunately we get the whole spectrum, from men who publicly insult women on a daily basis without censure to the real crazies.

Recently in New York I had to suffer the embarrassment of having to listen to a Muslim man say to a non-Muslim woman at a forum, “Don’t mess with Muslims, we have nuclear weapons!” There I was trying to dispel stereotypes about violence-prone Muslims and in one fell swoop, this nutcase confirmed every stereotype there was.

I think the only people who can dispel stereotypes about Muslims are women. While there are certainly some conservative women, even when these speak out they will naturally change perceptions because in a world where Muslim women are perceived to be perpetually hidden behind curtains, their sheer presence and articulateness will be noticed. What more if they are able to argue rationally in a calm manner.

Thus far there have been very few Muslim men in the international media who give a good impression. We might argue that the Western media selects who they interview in order to perpetuate stereotypes, which is true and that is a problem for all of us. A man or woman who looks like the archetypal wild-eyed conservative is far more telegenic than someone who looks like everyone else. Channel surfers are far more likely to stop at the sight of someone they think of as alien to their culture than if they see someone too similar to them. To stop this means having to make a concerted effort to come together as one community and decide on a sophisticated media strategy. But sadly coming together as one united community is a challenge in itself.

If we do manage as a global community to change other people’s perceptions of us, the benefits would be many. Our own people might think more kindly of each other so peace would reign within. And because within ourselves, we respect diversity, we can do the same with others. Then peace would truly have a chance.
 
De Lorimier said:
Just to be clear, when I wrote that you already knew the answer to your interrogation sysyphus, I was pointing at Winner's well-known prejudicial attitude towards Islam in general. I totally agree with you, wich is why I said that I don't care wich invisible being those arrested worship.

Read his sig.
 
pboily said:
jamie, what exactly were we supposed to learn from this that we didn't already know? That terrorists recruit young people? that you do not need a Patriot Act to foil their plans?

Edit: while we're at it, a good thing to remember is that there have already been terrorist attacks against Canada (in fact, the most `succesful' one-day attack pre-September 11 was Air India Flight 182.)

What we should learn is that terrorism isnt an "American" problem - I have heard so many people, my own family included - say that "we dont need to worry, the terrorists have no beef with Canada, we havent done anything wrong"

Maybe now people will realize that the terrorists arent JUST angry about Iraq etc, they don't like our secular society period - whether its America or Canada.
 
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man, I hate terrorists.
 
jamiethearcher said:
What we should learn is that terrorism isnt an "American" problem - I have heard so many people, my own family included - say that "we dont need to worry, the terrorists have no beef with Canada, we havent done anything wrong"

Maybe now people will realize that the terrorists arent JUST angry about Iraq etc, they don't like our secular society period - whether its America or Canada.
I am sorry about this BS coming from your own family. While it is of little comfort, I do not know of a single Canadian (not that many people, to be fair) who feels that the US got hit because of something they had specifically done, and since we had done nothing, we were in the clear...
 
pboily said:
I am sorry about this BS coming from your own family. While it is of little comfort, I do not know of a single Canadian (not that many people, to be fair) who feels that the US got hit because of something they had specifically done, and since we had done nothing, we were in the clear...

We have troops in Afghanistan - one of the main reasons we got bumped up a lot higher on Al Qaeda's list of "evil" countries.

Believe you me - if we get it, it will be for something that our country has done.
 
We're the highest ranked country on Al Qaidea's list who didn't invade Iraq. As scary as beign on the list is, it also seems like something of a compliment.

We were on that list long before we went to Afganistan, essentially jamie is right, they hate liberalism, pure and simple.
 
Yes I agree and according to the newscasters it is because of our involvement in Afghanistan. But I also believe that our change in Federal government is a factor since they are more friendly to the Bush regime. Conservatives/Republicans get along pretty good. Although the Ambassador to US for Canada is Michael Wilson and remember him as being a Liberal.

Blue/Red in the end they all do the same just a little different. Not much changes. As to classifying as most terrorists as Muslim I guess you don't remember the hostage takings in Holland (Molukkers). Japanese terrorist in Holland taking French Embassy (not sure but I know they were Japanese). Or the terrorism in Germany where most where Germans/and other peoples. Also the militia groups that are in western Canada/US. There are so many variations of terrorism. Don't forget the IRA in Britain. I was in England and was amazed to see all the signs warning people not to leave parcels. I was only a week earlier in Vienna Airport when it was attacked and let's not forget all the airline hijackings. So to classify all terrorists as Muslim is absurd and most Muslims that I have befriended have a strong sense of loyality and integrity. These guys arrested in Toronto were just bad apples nothing more. A whole community shouldn't suffer because of their actions. There was also a target in our nation's capital too. (what also came to mind is the Sarin attacks in Japan. Crazy Japanese cult and could go on and on)

We shouldn't forget that new legislation allowed for this arrest to happen. Without it the police/CSIS/RCMP wouldn't have been able to do it. America though is still convinced Canada is not up to the job according to our media however Condoleeza Rice did praise Canada for the arrest. Thanks Candi
 
warpus said:
We have troops in Afghanistan - one of the main reasons we got bumped up a lot higher on Al Qaeda's list of "evil" countries.

Believe you me - if we get it, it will be for something that our country has done.
yes, as I said, none of the people I know felt that the US had done something while we had done nothing wrong. Whatever the Americans have done that was "wrong" (whether you feel that is simply being a secular society or having sent troops to a Muslim country), we're also guilty of.
 
Cosmichail said:
Yes I agree and according to the newscasters it is because of our involvement in Afghanistan. But I also believe that our change in Federal government is a factor since they are more friendly to the Bush regime. Conservatives/Republicans get along pretty good. Although the Ambassador to US for Canada is Michael Wilson and remember him as being a Liberal.

I doubt that, they've been tracking this lot since long before we elected Harper.
 
I doubt that, they've been tracking this lot since long before we elected Harper.

sysyphus

you are right however I am sure Harper's commitment of our troops in Afghanistan is likely to fuel the fire somewhat. Sort of like cockroaches if you find one there are likely to be others around.
 
Well, one thing's for sure, Harper won't help our cause.
 
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