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This is evil!
Free Speech Or Conspiracy To Commit A Terrorist Act?
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This is evil!
BvBPL
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MacAttack
Just the tip
The terrorism chip has been used far longer than the last 15 years. And by far longer, I mean, even the Romans used terrorism as their blank check to step on the populace's civil liberties. It even lead to the razing of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD.
The United States has been using the terrorism blank check well before 9/11. Just 18 years beforehand, on Wednesday, October 26, 1983. Vice President Bush toured the site of the Beirut US Marine barracks bombings and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists." Soon after, the US Navy went into action. The following decade, in response to the 1998 Al-Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa that killed a dozen Americans and hundreds of Africans, Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes on terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan. I am just tapping on the recent stuff, you can go as far back as just after the War for Independence.
All this has just been chipping away at our privacy and civil liberties. Without a viable third party, the Democrats and Republicans will shred the Bill of Rights all in the name of security.
In withdrawing from Beirut, Reagan was cowed by terrorists.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
It wasn't that we first started calling any Muslims terrorists prior to 9/11. It was after that date when any Muslim living in the US became the favorite target of this ludicrous witch hunt. When even discussing the use of violence to combat Israeli atrocities in Gaza was considered to be a terrorist activity if uttered by an American Muslim. When sending money to aid those who were the victims became aiding and abetting terrorists.
And now essentially the same campaign and technology is being waged against inner city black youths under the very same guise.
BvBPL
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While I agree that the police are being overzealous here, I'm a little torn on the issue of whether or not the government should be allowed to use your social media activity against you. For me, it would all depend on whether or not social media should be considered a public space or not, even when the messages are supposed to be private. If the courts eventually establish social media sites as public spaces, then that would give police a lot more leeway in searching your accounts for stuff to use against you.
I guess the real lesson learned here is be extremely careful and mindful of your social media posts.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
It is no more right for the police to snoop on your private correspondence than it is for your prospective employer. If these social media sites want to make it publicly available to everybody that is a different story.
The next step after that is they will be demanding to know the IP addresses of those who post on sites like this, not that the NSA, and likely the FBI and Homeland Security, don't already know.
The next step after that is they will be demanding to know the IP addresses of those who post on sites like this, not that the NSA, and likely the FBI and Homeland Security, don't already know.
Narz
keeping it real
Why do people think Facebook is a safe & private space?
The only safe way to pass information is face to face (assuming your place isn't bugged).
The only safe way to pass information is face to face (assuming your place isn't bugged).
Agreed, but you have to assume that the government isn't ever going to respect your right to privacy when it comes to anything on the internet. That's why the best policy continues to be not posting anything online you don't think the government should know about you.
Narz
keeping it real
They can read your texts & monitor your calls as well.
I lump cell phones in with my definition of "online".
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I certainly hope that will one day change as the American people stop being so paranoid and fearful ever since 9/11. The other key element which must change is to remove the reactionaries from the Supreme Court. I don't think any of these laws implemented in the aftermath of 9/11 would have stood up to constitutional review in the past.
Meh, it just seems to be the endless cycle between liberty and tyranny humanity has been going through for its entire civilized history. A government continues its slide into increasing tyranny until the people just can't take it anymore. They rise up and replace the tyrannical government with one that is supposed to respect the liberty and freedom of the people; and it does, for a little while. Eventually though, that government starts sliding towards tyranny as well and the cycle starts all over again.
BvBPL
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Akka
Moody old mage.
I'm not sure if I should be scandalized by this abuse of privacy, or just snarky about people using Facebook getting the expected results.
Am I reading this right? This is people having parties in their own homes, and the police are looking out for these all the time? That sounds mad, both as an intrusion of privacy and waste of police time. Or does this mean something other than a few people meeting up in a house to have fun, which sometimes get a bit messy / heated?
Timsup2nothin
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The city up the road from me just enacted a "nuisance house" ordinance that allows citing the host of a "disruptive party" and levying a five hundred dollar fine (second offense, thousand dollars) without even processing through the courts. You can appeal to a designated city administrator, which will clearly be pointless.
So. You were saying that using social media to find places where a few people are meeting up in a house to have a little fun seems pointless? Sounds like it might be pretty lucrative.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
You would have to ask the cop to ascertain more details. But I bet he wouldn't say a word now.
BvBPL
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