The 65-Civ Mod!

[jcikal]

Only 20 civs left to go!

Can't wait for it to come out. Hopefully the Firaxis team will be sensitive to our needs of voiding the 18-Civ clause on the program. I already e-mail them with my concern about it.

 

[Red Door]

Actually I lied, 20 left to go in the CivInfos. I still have everything else.

 

[Red Door]

Here's the site that also is going to help me with the mod.
Please join:
The 65-Civ Mod @ Civilized Online Community

 

[Tyranausaurus]

What is this? (I mean is there something going on here?)
I would love to help if there is place for me , I have already altered some leaderheads (animated) for my personal use, I would like to share them If that would help your mod.

 

[Red Door]

Yes, that would be so much to help me. Thank you.

 

[Aemilius Paulus]

Some comments on your new civs, which are basically just spelling corrections:

"Minoa" isn't a proper term for the Minoan civilization--the word "Minoa" doesn't occur in any historical source, and archaeologists and historians usually refer to Minoan Crete or the Minoan period. Since we can't read what little writing the Minoans left behind, and we don't know what language they spoke, we don't know what they called themselves, or what their palaces and towns were called. They're named after a mythical ruler of Crete, Minos, and their major cities--Knossos, Phaistos, Malia, Zakros, Mochlos, etc. are named after later Greek towns and villages at or near the same sites. So it's redundant to include the Minoans at all, since the names are Greek; but if you put them in, I think you should use "Minoan Crete" or just "Crete" as the country name, with "Minoan" as the adjective, and "Minos" as the ruler.

"Aboriginies" should be spelled "Aborigines". This term doesn't exclusively refer to Australian Aborigines, either--even native Americans can be referred to as "Aborigines," so maybe there's a uniquely Australian term? Anyway, I don't think they are a civilization, because the Australian natives had many different languages and tribes, and didn't have a unified culture or political system. Probably fun city names though.

"Cathrage" should be "Carthage".

 

[Red Door]

Some comments on your new civs, which are basically just spelling corrections:

"Minoa" isn't a proper term for the Minoan civilization--the word "Minoa" doesn't occur in any historical source, and archaeologists and historians usually refer to Minoan Crete or the Minoan period. Since we can't read what little writing the Minoans left behind, and we don't know what language they spoke, we don't know what they called themselves, or what their palaces and towns were called. They're named after a mythical ruler of Crete, Minos, and their major cities--Knossos, Phaistos, Malia, Zakros, Mochlos, etc. are named after later Greek towns and villages at or near the same sites. So it's redundant to include the Minoans at all, since the names are Greek; but if you put them in, I think you should use "Minoan Crete" or just "Crete" as the country name, with "Minoan" as the adjective, and "Minos" as the ruler.

"Aboriginies" should be spelled "Aborigines". This term doesn't exclusively refer to Australian Aborigines, either--even native Americans can be referred to as "Aborigines," so maybe there's a uniquely Australian term? Anyway, I don't think they are a civilization, because the Australian natives had many different languages and tribes, and didn't have a unified culture or political system. Probably fun city names though.

"Cathrage" should be "Carthage".

Actually, Minoa is the best word one could use there.
Aborigines-The city names I got from a mod from Civ 3.
Carthage was already corrected.

 

[Haarbal]

I'm sorry, what makes Argentina a civ where Mexico is not?

civarmy, he created the mod already

 

[Aemilius Paulus]

Actually, Minoa is the best word one could use there.

Minoa isn't a real name for the Minoan "country". It's a made-up word; you won't find archaeologists or historians using it; they consistently use "Minoan Crete" or "Minoan civilization." As an example, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/minoan_01.shtml. Like I said above, we don't know what the Minoans called themselves or their cities (and they probably didn't think of themselves as a civilization or a country, but as a bunch of independent kingdoms or cities), but no one calls this geographical area "Minoa." (Minoa is actually a town in New York.) Making up this word is a bit like deciding the country to the north of the United States ought to be called "Canadia." I'd still urge you to use "Crete" or "Minoan civilization."

Aborigines-The city names I got from a mod from Civ 3.

Cool, as long as everything's spelled right...Civ 3 bugged the heck out of me when the names of barbarian tribes were spelled wrong, especially since it would have been so easy to fix by taking a couple of minutes with a dictionary.

Looking forward to seeing the mod!

 

[Red Door]

Minoa isn't a real name for the Minoan "country". It's a made-up word; you won't find archaeologists or historians using it; they consistently use "Minoan Crete" or "Minoan civilization." As an example, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/minoan_01.shtml. Like I said above, we don't know what the Minoans called themselves or their cities (and they probably didn't think of themselves as a civilization or a country, but as a bunch of independent kingdoms or cities), but no one calls this geographical area "Minoa." (Minoa is actually a town in New York.) Making up this word is a bit like deciding the country to the north of the United States ought to be called "Canadia." I'd still urge you to use "Crete" or "Minoan civilization."



Cool, as long as everything's spelled right...Civ 3 bugged the heck out of me when the names of barbarian tribes were spelled wrong, especially since it would have been so easy to fix by taking a couple of minutes with a dictionary.

Looking forward to seeing the mod!

I'm not going to use Crete or "Minoan Civilization." There is a present-day Crete so people might get confused with that. Minoan Civilization just sounds plain awful. What if Mali was called Malian Civilization the whole game?

 

[Aemilius Paulus]

I'm not going to use Crete or "Minoan Civilization." There is a present-day Crete so people might get confused with that. Minoan Civilization just sounds plain awful. What if Mali was called Malian Civilization the whole game?

Agree about Minoan Civilization sounding bad, but why not Crete? It's not going to be any more confusing for people than having city names like Knossos, Phaistos, Malia, etc. which are places in modern-day Greece. Most people playing the mod will either know something about the Minoans anyway, so I doubt they'll confuse this civ with classical or modern Greece. You could have the long name be "Minoan Crete", the short name be "Crete", and the adjective be "Minoan".

Plus, the Minoans might have been calling themselves Cretans and their land Crete. It seems that the Egyptians referred to the Minoans as "Keftiu" and the Bible (perhaps) refers to their land as "Kaftor." These might be ancient versions of Cretans and Crete. If this is true, then "Crete" might be the most historically accurate name for the Minoan homeland.

 

[Red Door]

Agree about Minoan Civilization sounding bad, but why not Crete? It's not going to be any more confusing for people than having city names like Knossos, Phaistos, Malia, etc. which are places in modern-day Greece. Most people playing the mod will either know something about the Minoans anyway, so I doubt they'll confuse this civ with classical or modern Greece. You could have the long name be "Minoan Crete", the short name be "Crete", and the adjective be "Minoan".

Plus, the Minoans might have been calling themselves Cretans and their land Crete. It seems that the Egyptians referred to the Minoans as "Keftiu" and the Bible (perhaps) refers to their land as "Kaftor." These might be ancient versions of Cretans and Crete. If this is true, then "Crete" might be the most historically accurate name for the Minoan homeland.

Look this is getting annoying. I have decided Minoa and that's final.

 

[Red Door]

Today, I finished Civ4CivilizationInfos.XML.

Now, I got the leaderhead info, and of course, I forgot to write down all the leaderheads I put in. So I give up until after dinner.

 

[LefferDP]

I would recommend replacing the Congo with the Bantu. In their day the Bantu were probably more influential over Central Africa than the Congo is today. I would also like to voice the idea, as suggested further upthread, that Hawaii might better be used for another civ and merely incorporated into the Polynesians. Aren't the Touregs just a sub group of Berber? Same with Pakistan. Perhaps a Toureg/Paki leader for each instead? Maybe Otherwise, you might try organizing the regions each group belongs to on the first post to give some perspective on things. Maybe even get a blank world map and label it?

And sorry, but who are the Kazhaks? Wikipedia has never heard of them.

Thank you for reading my questions/concerns.

 

[Red Door]

I would recommend replacing the Congo with the Bantu. In their day the Bantu were probably more influential over Central Africa than the Congo is today. I would also like to voice the idea, as suggested further upthread, that Hawaii might better be used for another civ and merely incorporated into the Polynesians. Aren't the Touregs just a sub group of Berber? Same with Pakistan. Perhaps a Toureg/Paki leader for each instead? Maybe Otherwise, you might try organizing the regions each group belongs to on the first post to give some perspective on things. Maybe even get a blank world map and label it?

And sorry, but who are the Kazhaks? Wikipedia has never heard of them.

Thank you for reading my questions/concerns.

It's way too late to replace anyone at this point.
BTW, Pakistan is definetly not Berber.

About the Kazhaks, the reason Wikipedia never heard of them is because the Kazhaks never existed, the the Kazakhs did. I just spelled them wrong.

 

[LefferDP]

Ah hah! Got ya. Now it makes sense, and I meant Paki in relation to India, was all.

 

[Keven_the_Kat]

I think u should focus on civilizations that exsist today as a country, eg, Australia, Brazil etc. instead of ones like zulu. Also u should make at least 25 civs allowed in the game at any 1 time, at any rate more than 18.

Game play is just as important as lots of civs, u should make more units. eg instead of modern armour u could let america have m1 abrams, uk have challengers, Germany leopard 2's, russia t?? and so on. u should also make units be able to be sold to other countries because most countries don't make their own or at least all of their military hardware eg Australia just brought 60 m1 abram tanks off the u.s.

So u would get countries that are good friends with russia buying russian tanks and countries that are good friends with the u.s buying u.s tanks like in real life. eg china, N. Korea iran etc use old russian tanks and countries like suadi arabia and Australia use u.s tanks. doesn't just have 2 b for tanks either.

Anyway there should b alot more units 2 pick from. eg no less than 5 of every kind... five different attack helicopters also airlifting helicopters, five different kinds of infantry, tanks, u name it. there should b things like the c5 which is one of the biggest airlifting planes in the world that allows you to fly your troops far around the world... theres nothing like spending 40 turns geting to the other side of the world to go to war!! These might seem far fetched but u should build like 20 decent civs and weed out all the other crap and focus on gameplay options thanks for reading.

 

[Red Door]

I think u should focus on civilizations that exsist today as a country, eg, Australia, Brazil etc. instead of ones like zulu. Also u should make at least 25 civs allowed in the game at any 1 time, at any rate more than 18.

Game play is just as important as lots of civs, u should make more units. eg instead of modern armour u could let america have m1 abrams, uk have challengers, Germany leopard 2's, russia t?? and so on. u should also make units be able to be sold to other countries because most countries don't make their own or at least all of their military hardware eg Australia just brought 60 m1 abram tanks off the u.s.

So u would get countries that are good friends with russia buying russian tanks and countries that are good friends with the u.s buying u.s tanks like in real life. eg china, N. Korea iran etc use old russian tanks and countries like suadi arabia and Australia use u.s tanks. doesn't just have 2 b for tanks either.

Anyway there should b alot more units 2 pick from. eg no less than 5 of every kind... five different attack helicopters also airlifting helicopters, five different kinds of infantry, tanks, u name it. there should b things like the c5 which is one of the biggest airlifting planes in the world that allows you to fly your troops far around the world... theres nothing like spending 40 turns geting to the other side of the world to go to war!! These might seem far fetched but u should build like 20 decent civs and weed out all the other crap and focus on gameplay options thanks for reading.

The civs are designed to spread over a period of time.
Units will not be incorporated into this mod, but your ideas are going in a future mod of mine.
Thanks for responding.

 

[yoshi]

Hopefully the Firaxis team will be sensitive to our needs of voiding the 18-Civ clause on the program.

And if they don't? Then what? What will all this have been for? Besides, don't people have enough trouble running Civ4 at the present civ limit?

(That said, I would love there to be hundreds of civs but just keeping track of them would be a major pain--putting aside the drain on performance.)

 

[AluminumKnight]

Even if the 18-civ limit doesn't get removed, that doesn't mean this mod won't be amazing. I probably wouldn't even want to play with more than 18, unless of course, on a world map. I can live with having 65 civs to pick from but only 18 on a map at a time.