The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[Borachio]

this.

 

[Traitorfish]

*snip*

You have no sense of humour.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Arizona responds to the persecution of of the overwhelmingly Christian majority by creating an elective Bible class in high schools:

Arizona Bible Course Bill To Teach Elective In Public Schools Passes Senate, Goes To Gov. Jan Brewer

"A lot of it has to do with debunking a lot of ignorance that our districts are trying to force upon the teachers," Proud told The Republic in January. "There are people out there who hate the Bible and everything about it. That's fine, but don't deprive our children of biblical literature because of your personal feelings."

Proud says students would benefit from learning about the Bible as foundational, basic knowledge. Arizona state law doesn't ban the use of the Bible or other religious texts in the classroom as long as it is being used for academic purposes without intent on religious indoctrination.

"It is everywhere around us, and to say that I don't want my child exposed to that, then we might as well not have air and breathe because it is implemented into our society," Proud previously told MyFox Phoenix.

Critics are troubled by the bills, arguing that teaching religion and the Bible is tricky -- and teachers are often not sufficiently or properly trained to teach the subject effectively.

If Brewer signs the bill, Arizona would become the sixth state to allow districts to offer a high school elective Bible course. Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and South Carolina are currently the only ones with laws permitting these courses. Other states like Kentucky have introduced similar proposals, but the bills have failed to be come law.

 

[Traitorfish]

Is it too much to hope for that these classes represent a rigorous introduction to Biblical scholarship?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Those states are well-known for their strict academic standards and willingness to properly teach children, instead of deliberately propagandizing them.

'Texas schoolbook massacre' rewrites American history

To the rest of America, the board's colourful right-wingery ought to be nothing more than a colourful sideshow. But the economics of the education industry mean otherwise: Texas is the biggest market for new teaching materials in the country, with 4.7 million schoolchildren, meaning that its curriculum influences the contents of textbooks nationwide.

Controversy over the changes has shone a spotlight on the powers and make-up of the 15-strong Texas board. One of them, a dentist called Roy McElroy, failed by a whisker last year to get the board to force the teaching of Creationism alongside evolution in science lessons. This year he supported a successful move to have the term "capitalism" replaced with "free market enterprise" in classes.

Texas has a long and storied tradition of political interference in the educational process. Since the 1970s, evangelicals have repeatedly tried to have books seen as anti-Christian removed from its syllabus. Conservatives have also attempted to prevent children being taught about gay rights and global warming.

Link to video.

Cenk Uygar:

You can tell if you would be in favor of it if you simply substituted the Bible for the Koran.

There has never been an issue with providing a comparative religion course in public schools.

 

[Traitorfish]

Very conscientious of you to note that their propagandising is significant only in its being deliberate.

But, yes, this is very strange. Who would think that public school students get a more stringently Christian education than I got in Catholic school?

 

[Formaldehyde]

It is a matter of degree. Enough propagandizing already occurs in these schools merely because the vast majority of the teachers are products of the local educational systems.

 

[Cutlass]

The Bible mandates free market capitalism. It is anti-socialist. The proof is here: 10,000 pages of exposition, verse by verse. Free.
Gary North

The essence of democratic socialism is this re-written version of God's commandment: "Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote."

"Economic democracy" is the system whereby two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner.

Christian socialists and defenders of economic planning by state bureaucrats deeply resent this interpretation of their ethical position. They resent it because it's accurate.

When Christianity adheres to the judicial specifics of the Bible, it produces free market capitalism.

On the other hand, when Christianity rejects the judicial specifics of the Bible, it produces socialism or some politically run hybrid "middle way" between capitalism and socialism, where politicians and bureaucrats make the big decisions about how people's wealth will be allocated. Economic growth then slows or is reversed. Always.

Free market capitalism produces long-term economic growth. Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If your goal is to keep poor people poor, generation after generation, you should promote socialism. But be sure to call it economic democracy in order to fool the voters.

The Bible is an anti-socialist document. Socialist propagandists for over four centuries have claimed that the Bible teaches socialism, but we have yet to see a single Bible commentary written by a socialist. If the Bible teaches socialism, where is the expository evidence?

When I say that the Bible mandates a moral and legal social order that inevitably produces free market capitalism, I have the evidence to back up my position. My critics -- critics of capitalism -- do not.

The next time you hear someone say that the Bible teaches anything but free market capitalism, ask him or her which Bible commentary demonstrates this. You will get a blank stare followed by a lot of verbal tap-dancing about "the ultimate ethic of the Bible" or "the upholding of the poor in the Bible." You will be given a lot of blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah is not a valid substitute for biblical exposition.

More HERE

Christians Debate: Was Jesus For Small Government?

by Barbara Bradley Hagerty
April 16, 2012

What would Jesus do with the U.S. economy?

That's a matter of fierce debate among Christians — with conservatives promoting a small-government Jesus and liberals seeing Jesus as an advocate for the poor.

After the House passed its budget last month, liberal religious leaders said the Republican plan, which lowered taxes and cut services to the poor, was an affront to the Gospel — and particularly Jesus' command to care for the poor.

Not so, says Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan, who chairs the House Budget Committee. He told Christian Broadcasting Network last week that it was his Catholic faith that helped shape the budget plan. In his view, the Catholic principle of subsidiarity suggests the government should have little role in helping the poor.

"Through our civic organizations, through our churches, through our charities — through all of our different groups where we interact with people as a community — that's how we advance the common good," Ryan said.

More HERE


If Christians keep this up, we will need a bigotry against them. Maybe a purge.

 

[peter grimes]

The crazy strong with these is.

But a second part of the story, of particular interest to readers of this magazine, is the degree to which Reconstructionists have gained prominence in libertarian causes, ranging from hard-money economics to the defense of home schooling. "Christian economist" Gary North, Rushdoony's son-in-law and star polemicist of the Reconstructionist movement, is widely cited as a spokesman for free markets, if not exactly free minds; he even served for a brief time on the House staff of Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), the Libertarian Party presidential nominee in 1988, when Paul was a member of Congress in the '70s.

source:
http://reason.com/archives/1998/11/01/invitation-to-a-stoning

EDIT:
Let's listen for the loud chorus of moderate mainstream christians distancing themselves from these kooks.

 

[Lord Gay]

Is it too much to hope for that these classes represent a rigorous introduction to Biblical scholarship?

There's no question as to whether YOU have a sense of humour.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Relgious Education was compulsory when I was at school up to age 16. It was a big skive though, and we learnt about all the mainstream religions.

 

[Lord Gay]

They teach all the mainstream religions here too... Protestantism AND Catholicism.


Link to video.

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, I actually consider religious education an important subject that should be mandatory at school, as long as its curriculum and teachers are secular.

 

[Traitorfish]

They teach all the mainstream religions here too... Protestantism AND Catholicism.

Coming from a country where you can either be a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew, I can't say that sounds unfamiliar.

 

[Lord Gay]

You're not exempt from this Traitor...


Link to video.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Now, when he says the athiest community in Ulster, does he mean the INLA or the PUP? Because those are a set of Catholic Athiests and Protestant Athiests that I'd rather not listen to.

 

[Traitorfish]

Noting that the INLA included a significant number of Catholic Protestant Atheists.

 

[Cutlass]

The crazy strong with these is.


source:
http://reason.com/archives/1998/11/01/invitation-to-a-stoning

EDIT:
Let's listen for the loud chorus of moderate mainstream christians distancing themselves from these kooks.

If they know enough to... It's not being pointed out enough.

 

[peter grimes]

If they know enough to... It's not being pointed out enough.

And here is where we get into that grey area where there's a conflict between spreading this idiotic message far and wide (in the hopes of offending reasonable christians so they'll shout him down) and just ignoring it in the hopes that the crazy sluices downhill with the rest of the human waste.

 

[Cutlass]

And here is where we get into that grey area where there's a conflict between spreading this idiotic message far and wide (in the hopes of offending reasonable christians so they'll shout him down) and just ignoring it in the hopes that the crazy sluices downhill with the rest of the human waste.

To a large extent, yes. There are some moderate and liberal Christian groups that from time to time point and say "Those people are out of touch with what Christianity really is." But that does not happen a lot. There is not a strong public debate between various branches. And the politicians of all stripes are afraid to take on the wingnuts.