Didn't know the CIA shares this kind of information with you.
That was only one program of rebel financing which was made public after spending 500 millions USD and not producing any results.
How many of them weren't closed we have no idea about.
The attack on Syria
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That was only one program of rebel financing which was made public after spending 500 millions USD and not producing any results.
How many of them weren't closed we have no idea about.
FriendlyFire
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The last time this happened a US President was impeached and 17 people went to gaol
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let's see if the picture appears . And do not fooled by all the Russian stuff on it , quite a bit delivered by CIA as well . Numbers derived from youtube videos and the like , where one has to prove the missile was shot so that a replacement would be sent . Syrian armoured vehicle losses apparently number around 2200 .
Broken_Erika
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Meanwhile Israel stirs the **** pot. Hopefully Iranian and Syrian Hardliners won't do anything stupid that causes Israeli hardliners to do even more stupid. Stupid Hardliners feed Stupid Hardliners.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44029391
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44029391
Gen.Mannerheim
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Meanwhile Israel stirs the **** pot. Hopefully Iranian and Syrian Hardliners won't do anything stupid that causes Israeli hardliners to do even more stupid. Stupid Hardliners feed Stupid Hardliners.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44029391
Really though, how much further could you see Israeli/Iranian tensions going to? They don't share a land border and neither of them have a truly significant blue water navy, which makes a full out war for all practical purposes impossible. Assuming the Israelis decide to intervene with ground troops in Syria (something even a Trump White House wouldn't let them do), the Iranians have not been able to sustain a truly potent military presence in Syria thus the need for Russian intervention. The only area where more intense actions are possible is in the realm of air power, where Israel has an almost unassailable advantage in equipment, pilots, and technology with both planes and missile systems. Israel also is probably nuclear capable, while atm Iran isn't.
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Broken_Erika
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Just enough to ensure that the Syrian civil war continues for another 20 years or so.....
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They won't Last time they tried it with Lebanon they got defeated. Israel does not have a large army prepared for invading and occupying other countries, they're too busy killing palestinian kids.
What they do do is joining saudi oil money with willing mercenaries from elsewhere. But the saudis got distracted with their glorious invasion of Yemen and using their money and mercenaries there. My guess is that the israeli government's game now is getting american cannon fodder for a war against Syria and Iran.
Gen.Mannerheim
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There's an argument that the right case with the right administration would be up for a land war with Iran, but given the ...fun... the U.S. has had with Afghanistan & Iraq has made such a war highly unlikely for the foreseeable future. If the U.S. was going to intervene on the ground in Syria it already would have by now (and already has in some ways).
Israel doesn't have an offensive military policy. They know that A) offensive action would be meet with universal condemnation* B) their best strategy for survival is to stay on the defensive and wait for the U.S. to both give military aid and diplomatic leverage to end the war. The ultra-hardliners talk a big talk, but outside of a more aggressive air campaign there not really much more they can do.
* 2018 Syria is much different than 2006 Lebanon. Israel would consider doing unilateral military action in the 2006 situation because of there was little chance of intervention from any international powers, regional powers would be kept at bay by U.S. policy, and given that the invasion was couched as an assault on a terrorist group in a post 9/11 world the international backlash would be less.
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iran has been taking it slow , some missionary work sort of things among their "godless" brothers and Russian intervention only comes to check the Iranians from gaining too much . ı should have provided the origin for the picture on top perhaps , to show ATGM deliveries slowed in 2015 , to keep Russians safe and sound as far as far possible . Starting in 2014 after the awful discovery that New Turkey was awesome in talking . That blog or whatever certainly thinks Damascus could have never come on top with sustained TOW deliveries .
as for renewed fighting against Hizbullah , the web seems confident that the Israeli tanks will have active defences this time and will stop all sorts of missiles . So , people should not bet on the past history , at least too much .
as for renewed fighting against Hizbullah , the web seems confident that the Israeli tanks will have active defences this time and will stop all sorts of missiles . So , people should not bet on the past history , at least too much .
Meanwhile, last ISIS enclave in Damascus was liquidated and the capital returned under full government control, first time since the beginning of the civil war.
Rebels also retreated from big enclave in Homs province a couple of weeks ago. The territory returned under government control almost peacefully.
Rebels also retreated from big enclave in Homs province a couple of weeks ago. The territory returned under government control almost peacefully.
EnglishEdward
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Yes, but to under which government's control: Iranian, Russian or Syrian?
With "green" rebels (FSA et al.), initial agreement is usually that Russian military police overtakes the territory and maintains order for a while. Eventually it returns under Syrian government control, simply because Russia doesn't have enough people to occupy large territories there.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Weren't you the one claiming that Israel goes into rampage of wars of conquest ? Make up your mind.
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Really Akka? Where specifically have I stated that "it goes in wars of conquest"? Please quote.
They already conquered all they can realistically hold. Some of it unexpectedly. And while some people surely want a still "greater Israel", I believe the leadership and the population in general is well aware those are insane to want it. As I actually wrote above, it is not set up for that.
What they have been promoting is instability around, on the reasoning that the weaker the neighboring countries, the better. That is a more common idea, has always been anywhere.
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And a few months after the attack on Syria the OPCW finally said that there were no nerve agents to be found in Douma. The foaming at the mouth, allegedly evidence of a nerve gas attack, was more propaganda from ths islamic fanatics to justify another attack on Syria to be carried out by their foreign patrons. I wouldn't be surprised if the gas cilinders with chlorine were deployed by them also, to cause the whole panic and victims which would make their propaganda coup propaganda easier to sell to a gullible public feeding on mass media and "social media".
Bamspeedy
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So it was chlorine. How about that 'dying of suffocation from a sandstorm' claim?
You mean, people in the hospital where 'nerve gas attack' was staged by "White Helmets"?
The OPCW report doesn't say they were suffering from chlorine.
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No, the OPCW claims in its preliminary report that it was chlorine, because it could not find any evidence of other things, not a shred of it.
But the evidence of chlorine is based on videos from the jihadi groups, and the existence of those two cylinders. How those cylinders came to be there is contentious, whether they were indeed used to release chlorine is also not established. Found the preliminary report used for those newspaper pieces:
They have circumstantial evidence that some chlorine was around, and that those cylinders had contained chlorine. Given how pervasive that gas is around Syria, that is not enough to conclusive it was used in the alleged attack.
And they have the videos and statements from the jihadis, which also simulated fake symptoms of a "nerve gas attack". That is tainted evidence, if anything can be.
By now there is plenty of evidence to say that staged propaganda was used to create a phony "war crime", which was subsequently used to justify yet another illegal attack on a country. And this attack only did not took on the proportions of a full-scale war (including likely outright invasion and occupation, a la Iraq) because that country happened to have a powerful ally that threated escalating such a war if it was started.
I would like to hope that an invasion would also not happened because the population of the US and its european allies in these imperial wars has become wary of the lies used to sell them, but I still cannot hope that. Iraq's WMD were denounced as a lie and despite that the invasion still happened. The media still managed, about Syria, to peddle the propaganda that its government was being more "bloodthirsty" that, say, the US and its allied govenments had been in Mosul (or earlier in Fallujah and other cities). Duple standards and propaganda still worked after Iraq, still worked to enable the destruction of Libya, and still would have worked here absent an opposing power capable of increasing the cost of a war.
But the evidence of chlorine is based on videos from the jihadi groups, and the existence of those two cylinders. How those cylinders came to be there is contentious, whether they were indeed used to release chlorine is also not established. Found the preliminary report used for those newspaper pieces:
They have circumstantial evidence that some chlorine was around, and that those cylinders had contained chlorine. Given how pervasive that gas is around Syria, that is not enough to conclusive it was used in the alleged attack.
And they have the videos and statements from the jihadis, which also simulated fake symptoms of a "nerve gas attack". That is tainted evidence, if anything can be.
By now there is plenty of evidence to say that staged propaganda was used to create a phony "war crime", which was subsequently used to justify yet another illegal attack on a country. And this attack only did not took on the proportions of a full-scale war (including likely outright invasion and occupation, a la Iraq) because that country happened to have a powerful ally that threated escalating such a war if it was started.
I would like to hope that an invasion would also not happened because the population of the US and its european allies in these imperial wars has become wary of the lies used to sell them, but I still cannot hope that. Iraq's WMD were denounced as a lie and despite that the invasion still happened. The media still managed, about Syria, to peddle the propaganda that its government was being more "bloodthirsty" that, say, the US and its allied govenments had been in Mosul (or earlier in Fallujah and other cities). Duple standards and propaganda still worked after Iraq, still worked to enable the destruction of Libya, and still would have worked here absent an opposing power capable of increasing the cost of a war.
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Bamspeedy
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I think it's possible Syria used Chlorine.
I think it's also possible the rebels used Chlorine.
I think the doctor and medical student (who was obviously under duress/reading a script) in his video who claimed all the patients they were treating and the 70+ people who died suffered suffocation from a dust storm to obviously be a Syrian (or Russian) scam to cast doubt, flat out lie.
I don't believe the Syrians and Russians are above the level of lying that you think the west is so capable of doing.
