The attack on Syria

[FriendlyFire]

Just have Putin tell hes Puppet to relinquish the Oil to Russia

Russia Is 'Definitely Concerned' Over U.S. Plans to Send Troops to Syria Oil Fields
Russia has expressed reservations at the United States' plan to maintain a military presence near Syria's oil fields, even as President Donald Trump planned to pull troops out of the country's northern territory.
The Wall Street Journal then reported Thursday that such a move may include around 500 troops, all of whom Moscow felt were blocking Damascus' claim to its own natural resources.
The Syrian Democratic Forces quickly struck a deal with the Syrian government in hopes of fending off the Turkish incursion

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-concerned-oil-fields-syria-1467854

 

[innonimatu]

Oh, you are denying the numerous chemical attacks done by the Syrian dictator, huh?

I am denying any trust in the "numerous chemical attacks" allegedly done by the syrian military, because the allegations were made by the same people (governments and their intelligence agents passing off as "independent groups, such as Bellingcat) that pushed the OPCW into burying the truth about Duoma and producing a report that did nor expose it as a staged incident.

More documentation has been released about the manipulation at the OPCW. Those inspectors who were pushed into it and silenced at the time were pissed. And because the "regime change" project for Syria has so obviously failed that it got dumped (the loose ends that knew too much about the terrorist operations were already assassinated), these inspectors are now daring to leak the evidence.

It's still useful to notice it and point it out, because these strategies get deployed again and again, in every new war of aggression against other countries, to manufacture consent for it at home.

 

[innonimatu]

And just as the world is having to wrestle with a global crisis the damn turkish government seems to want to start a big war in Syria! And use a renewed "migrant crisis" to blackmail its european allies into backing its neo-ottoman imperial ambitions. Great, just great...

Military sources among moderate and jihadist rebel factions fighting in the northwestern province bordering Turkey said up to 70 Turkish soldiers died on Thursday night after a precision strike hit a two-storey building in the village of Balioun.

A Turkish convoy, part of reinforcements sent to the area to aid rebel groups earlier this month, was subjected to heavy shelling on Thursday morning. The soldiers had taken cover in Balioun, basing themselves in the local council building.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based war monitor, put the initial death toll at 34. Rahmi Dogan, governor of Hatay province on the border with Idlib, confirmed at least 22 Turkish military personnel had died as ambulances streamed from a Syrian border crossing to a hospital in the nearby town of Reyhanli on Thursday night.
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Turkish sources have blamed the Syrian regime for the attack, but several sources in Idlib and unverified footage off the nighttime strike suggested it had been carried out by the Russian air force, which has helped Damascus conduct a ferocious three-month-old offensive on Idlib.

Turkey responded with airstrikes on “all known” Syrian government targets, said the country’s communications director Fahrettin Altun early on Friday, according to state-run Anadolu news agency. Altun said authorities had decided to “respond in kind” to the attack.

At the same time Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan chaired an emergency security meeting overnight, Turkish officials briefed reporters that Ankara had decided it would no longer stop Syrian refugees from reaching Europe by land and sea - a move calibrated to win EU and Nato support for its operation in Idlib.

 

[Lexicus]

the loose ends that knew too much about the terrorist operations were already assassinated

talk more about this?

 

[innonimatu]

Remember the while helmets? The former british intelligence officer leading those had a kinetic meeting with the pavement in Istanbul a few months ago. No one bothers to investigate. Just shortly after the self-proclaimed "caliph of isis" has liquidated near Idlib.

The whole project failed, time to make sure that the now useless (and unemployable) people who knew all about it cannot look for new patrons. Or so some book deal! Do I have proof that it was a cleanup? Of course not. But it fits the usual pattern of these things, look at post-colonial interventions with mercenaries and "rebels" around Africa and Asia. Will probably be admitted to within 30 years or so when the whole issue of the Syrian war is one for historians.

 

[r16]

what will they find if they bother to investigate ? They had a full 3 days fascination with the 60 or 70 year old Syrian or whatever that sold paper tissues at the street where the guy's office/house was . Whom nobody has seen since , and imagine this the guy's Arabian employees would cluster around the tissue selling old guy and talk politics , like feeding false info ...

 

[Berzerker]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-is-turning-against-iranand-assadin-syria

Russia's upset with Assad and Iran

After five years fighting to preserve Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria, Russia now appears inclined to dispose of its infamous client. Assad’s persistent brutality and corruption, and his inability to establish even the semblance of a functioning state, has grown to be a burden Moscow would prefer not to bear.

And then there’s the problem of Iran. Assad, members of his family, and his Alawite clansmen enjoy close, perhaps unbreakable, bonds to the regime in Tehran and to Iranian-backed militias in Syria. All of which undermines Moscow’s primary mission there: to rehabilitate the Assad regime as a symbol of stability capable of attracting hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign investment for reconstruction, which Russian firms would then be poised to receive.

As long as Assad’s relatives continue to function as a mafia and give free rein to Iranian troops using Syria as base of operations to threaten Israel and plan attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq, those countries likely to foot the bill for Syrian reconstruction—the nations of Europe and the Gulf—are unlikely to come up with the cash.

 

[r16]

so this site is Right wing ? Considering it doesn't have much of a clue ... Alawites were never big fans of lran , but had to choose between them and death , Russian intervention came with a package deal of decreasing lranian influence and America broke the deal with the Su-24 shoot down and Putin does NOT want or need Esad to be respectable . What investment ? lsn't the West bankrupt already ?

 

[Berzerker]

Does that mean Putin will stick with Assad?

 

[red_elk]

Does that mean Putin will stick with Assad?

The only other option is leaving Syria, which won't happen for a variety of reasons.

 

[r16]

looking around for the latest lranian own goal of missile strike on a support ship , ı have noticed a lot of commentary on how Russian media is attacking Esad . Possibly due to things including UAE tried to pay 3 billion dollars to Damascus to keep the action on during the February / March this year , where there were like 60 or 70 Army of Petrol of casualties . New Turkey is all important , it can not be allowed to show its mettle . So , Esad's media is telling how they will booby trap Western Syria and drive Russia out of Syria and erase Putin out of history . Of course no ideas to have whether this "caused" lranians to miss what they were firing at . Translation issues also abound . Failing to differantiate between marines and mariners . The West is telling of its desires , issuing orders , threatening action . So what ? Esad to be the last leader in the Middle East to fall , considering the pointless bloodbath with deaths up to million and plus .

 

[Berzerker]

from the article I linked it looked like another option is replacing Assad

 

[r16]

the last leader to fall in Middle East pretty much sums it , however bloody a tyrant and whatever he didn't start it . Oh , how much ı want to level US ...

 

[red_elk]

This has been reported in Russian news too.

US version:

Multiple US troops injured in collision with a Russian military convoy in Syria

Washington (CNN) Multiple US troops were injured in a collision with a Russian military convoy in eastern Syria Tuesday, several US officials tell CNN.
The official said that the injuries occurred when one of the Russian vehicles apparently deliberately collided with the American vehicle causing the crew to suffer "concussion-like injuries." Initial reports indicate as many as four Americans may have been injured.
The officials said a Russian military helicopter flew low and fast over the area in a tactic that is often used by military forces to try to disperse personnel on the ground.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/us-service-members-injured-russia-syria/index.html

Generals Milli and Gerasimov had a phone call, details not disclosed.
https://topnewstoday.live/2020/08/2...-with-the-chief-of-the-russian-general-staff/

There were multiple incidents like this, involving Russian and US military in Eastern Syria before, but it's the first time when it ended up with wounded people and damaged equipment.
A couple of weeks ago, US also attacked Syrian soldiers who tried to block movement of US convoy. One or two Syrians were killed.

 

[red_elk]

A couple of videos of the incident from Russian side. Don't see the moment of collision though.

 

[innonimatu]

Setting the record straight on the "chemical weapons investigations" in syria is still ongoing. The propaganda arms of the british government attack their own for talking about it...

Britain’s most senior naval officer last night complained that the British Government had insulted him in a row over intelligence and security.

Admiral Lord West of Spithead, 72, a decorated Falklands veteran, former First Sea Lord and a Security Minister under Gordon Brown, was denounced on the record by the Foreign Office for engaging in ‘disinformation and propaganda’ and for helping to distract attention from the war crimes of the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

Lord West believes there are serious doubts about an investigation into the use of poison gas by Syria in Douma in 2018, and that credible complaints of censorship, made by whistleblowers, have been wrongly ignored.

The unprecedented high-level slanging match is the latest and most explosive episode in this simmering scandal over poison gas and censored intelligence first exposed by The Mail on Sunday. The Admiral’s supposed misdeed was signing an international ‘Statement of Concern’ over an alleged distortion of intelligence by the UN’s chemical weapons watchdog, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
[...]
Lord West, the last to leave his ship after it was sunk by bombing in the Falklands, is still on the Navy’s Active List and maintains a close interest in intelligence and security matters. He hit back hard at the Foreign Office statement, saying: ‘It is an insult to accuse those who have concerns about the report as having a desire to whitewash the Assad regime.’
[...]
He added: ‘It does seem to me that there is enough evidence to show that the work the OPCW did on Douma was possibly flawed. The whistleblowers – a term I hate, but how else can they be described? – have been ignored.’ And he made it clear he was prepared to undergo bombardment in a good cause. ‘I know I will get flak, but I have had flak before.’ Describing the Foreign Office denunciation as ‘an outrageous allegation’ he insisted: ‘There are very reasonable concerns about what is going on.’

The ‘Statement of Concern’ signed by Lord West was issued in New York by the Courage Foundation, a body dedicated to supporting whistleblowers anxious to tell the truth against official pressure.

It says: ‘OPCW management now stands accused of accepting unsubstantiated or possibly manipulated findings with the most serious geo-political and security implications. Calls by some members of the Executive Council of the OPCW to allow all inspectors to be heard were blocked.’

They call for a new and impartial inquiry into the dissenting inspectors’ allegations, urging the setting up of ‘a transparent and neutral forum in which the concerns of all the investigators can be heard as well as ensuring that a fully objective and scientific investigation is completed’.

Others signing the statement include Jose Bustani, a Brazilian diplomat who is himself a former chief of the OPCW; Katharine Gun, a vindicated Iraq War whistleblower whose story was told in the recent film Official Secrets; Hans-Christof von Sponeck, a former UN Assistant Secretary General; Alan Steadman, a chemical weapons munitions specialist, former OPCW inspection team leader and United Nations Special Commission inspector; and Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to US Secretary of State Colin Powell.

It0's too soon yet, obviously. As always these things get cleared up, the lies are admitted, many years after the propaganda has been deployed and used. When the people who made use of it have moved on. They didn't make any "mistake", they know they produced propaganda lies, and they don't want the embarrassment of being asked about it. Might even be asked to resign for appearances' sake, how horrible!

Thing to retain: if the claims make no logical sense (in this case, the Syrian government was winning and had no reason to use chemical weapons and provide excuses for attacks from outside powers), if supporting evidence is absent or in doubt - do not believe it. And always ask "who benefits" from the narrative when considering it.

 

[Samson]

They just bombed a hospital there:

Artillery shelling has killed six civilians, including a child when it hit a surgical hospital in rebel-held northwest Syria, the International Rescue Committee (IRC) has said in a statement.
The attack on Sunday in the town of Atareb has also wounded 16 civilians including five health staff, the IRC said.

The attack on Sunday on Atareb in Aleppo’s countryside came despite a Russian-Turkish ceasefire since March 2020, supposedly to protect the wider rebel-held stronghold.
“Although SAMS shared the hospital’s coordinates through the UN’s notification system, it came under attack and has now been damaged so severely that it can no longer be used,” Rehana Zawar, the IRC’s country director for northwest Syria said in a statement.

“This is the fifth attack on health care that has been recorded so far this year, and brings the total number of attacks on health care since January 2019 to 118.
“Health facilities are protected under international law and should be safe havens in times of crisis, but after 10 years of war this is not the case in Syria. Since the start of the conflict, Physicians for Human Rights have documented close to 600 attacks on health care,” Zawar said.

 

[Zardnaar]

This has been reported in Russian news too.

US version:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/us-service-members-injured-russia-syria/index.html

Generals Milli and Gerasimov had a phone call, details not disclosed.
https://topnewstoday.live/2020/08/2...-with-the-chief-of-the-russian-general-staff/

There were multiple incidents like this, involving Russian and US military in Eastern Syria before, but it's the first time when it ended up with wounded people and damaged equipment.
A couple of weeks ago, US also attacked Syrian soldiers who tried to block movement of US convoy. One or two Syrians were killed.

I would look at good old incompetence first or even troops being stupid (playing chicken etc).

 

[Lexicus]

Thing to retain: if the claims make no logical sense (in this case, the Syrian government was winning and had no reason to use chemical weapons and provide excuses for attacks from outside powers), if supporting evidence is absent or in doubt - do not believe it. And always ask "who benefits" from the narrative when considering it.

Idk, it makes perfect sense to me in context not as a war-winning weapon - chemical weapons have never really been that - but as a terror weapon.

 

[Berzerker]

Aaron Mate on Jimmy Dore about the Douma 'gas' attack and OPCW cover up