The Boeing Thread

the Saudis declare they want to buy 100 British improved jets based on the F-24G

if confused , the Chinese have shown 2 NGADs of their own . Pentagon didn't have the funds . ı claim F-24G is good enough and will be replaced on the production line in due course by a minimal 6th generation jet that will still outperform it . Done so already since 2017 in an earlier format in the Black

if you hate me , some person in the big city nearby because ı said F-24G is unavailable for export and this statement was repeated elsewhere and you think this is treason , once there was no money and the PM had to give away the case of Kaşıkçı and His Excellencies the idiot who will become the next Saudi King Crown Prince Mega BS came visiting and sat all night at the palace of the PM and the PM couldn't stand it and left early , in his own palace . The Saudis think they have bought the aircraft factory in Ankara , at least the F-24G programme for the 50 billion they sent over here ; and they are getting paid back with interest , too . Like if you are so keen , drive the Saudis out . It is kill the 6th gen game over there and they will not buy anything

or you can be happy that the second son-in-law of the PM has bought Piaggio from United Arab Emirates . It used to be owned by this country , 51% in 1998 and many Italians were surprised that their Prime Minister all by himself brought the seperatist leader to Italy against all advice . This you will not read in Wikipedia ! Bought back by an Italian consortium and guess what happened . Do you think Berlusconi loved the PM very much for nothing ? Uhm , yes , r16's fault , everything under the sun
 
keep out if r16 stuff bothers you .

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the echo chamber says it is a replay of an incident here in 2018 . The Turkish low-cost airline is relevant as it is just a week that it bought up to 200 737-10s . A ten percent boost to the MAX orders without the options , presumably causing a 0.5% drop in Airbus shares . According to this there is supposedly a pass button in 737s that starts multiple tasks at once so that you can abort the landing in an emergency to climb for a second pass or divert to somewhere else . Accidental use of it caused the plane run out of the runway for a total hull loss .

the Korean accident reportedly involves an attempt to abort the belly landing when it proved to be too fast . Might or might not survived if it had thrust or thrust was not diminished by the thrust reversers at a critical moment or whatever . The KLM thing in Norway seems mundane and stuff .

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yes , some aviation angle , too . To the usual fights that take place before great plunder is about to happen . The previous generation that took the US to the Moon would involve von Braun's Nazi lot , so , perhaps Musk and Thiel are given some leeway . Am pretty sure we will survive if they were to give 10 or 20 thousands of Greencards to Turkish Defence sector engineers to gain access for internal sabotage and delay .


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because this second Chinese NGAD is even "better" . As a match to the mockery

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for three years this has been a "puzzle" to many . That's Area 51 , that's supposedly a secret plane that couldn't be taken into the hangar in time , so to prevent that very satellite picture a tent was erected over the plane . Except we are seeing it , or something . That , dear CFC members , is the vaunted American X-Ray vision . That they knew everything about the thing in top picture ! Though the eagle eyed might disagree ...

this is how there can be a 6th gen to produce in Ankara when Lockmart can't get the contract . Despite it being Boeing's turn according to some roadmap at the development of the Subpar Hornet that stipulated its replacement by a Boeing design , starting in 2024 . Like , a lifeline thrown to Pencabis in Pakistan against the ever forward momentum of the Peshtun/increased Islamist attitude . A common deal to be offered to New Turkey , just out of the F-35 , with Pakistan . And Shenyang , seemingly the designated military export aviation company of China .

duly reported in basics , considering Americans would have more details in accordance with their alliance with China . Roper saw a shot for his , no , Trump's jet , a real fast test thing to try out new methods and offered it instead . Also clearing the F-24G . Which is large entirely to block the 6th Gen , the British advice would have been some KF-21 for eventual sale to Arabs . Which wouldn't have been any use , there would be no sales and New Turkey would eventually buy British . '24G keeps the American angle , lets r16 have a year and a half of a scoop of 110 being the engine . Check the first picture up here , screenshoot of an official Chinese release and the second one is a Flanker which is like rather big in the flesh ... There being no way of New Turkey thing offering less than the Sukhoi stuff . Oh , they are trying hard , no doubts about that .

so ? Only a novice in American -defence- politics would cover it up .

here is Trump's bid against Gyna . Curtailed by apathy . And lack of money , all serving his legacy . It can be in service soonish . Not a risk to production contracts of anyone . Not even bothering the US budget . On the other hand it could also have been on the carriers by about now . But for Anduril and some great vision about the unmanned future . Peter Thiel , hero or villain , already has got a contract when the manned NGAD was axed for a year or whatever .

a sales pitch ? Will automatically fail . That's why it's me doing the marketing . One would have expected people to have learned that they do very rarely get to know what hit them , but , hey , we Turks are primitive , barbarians , foolish and vile , and lately Brown slipper wearers .

24G first . Better if sooner . Everything in due course .
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this is why some American is spewing BS again . Like ı have been some decision maker in defence picks and choices and whatnot . Am not Lord Vader , not at their level , not even real .

which works into politics as well . Only for the big city nearby . Nobody ever knows me in other cities . Anyhow .

the global warming angle has failed . Global Warming is real enough . It would get too hot here . We would take Russia from Russians . We would move there . Arabs would move here . Israel would get its extremely hot Eretz . Russia is not being defeated . Arabs have come here , it is getting too crowded -for the people of New Turkey foremost . So , it has to be done in the old way . We are supposed to fight Israel . So that they can kill us one by one .

ugh , there is the typical eagerness to get on with it , that New Turkey would conquer everything in a week .

the crisis management in New Turkey is firmly standart: avoid making an appearance until the things settle down . By the time the top people make a press conference in Doha , promising to fight to the end and Martyrdom is their only goal , Israel will be in Üsküdar , the other side invaded by America .

ı expect to be accused of treason all day long , all the way along . Luckily there is the second son-in-law of the PM . His drones are better than any jet , as the city knew a few years back with the war in Ukraine and it was clear ı was calling it the F-24G . Like he can't go wrong . Even if those very Americans declined to turn over the 6th gen over to his company for some reason .

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this is a rally led by the PM's son . Ayasofya they conquered because Greeks would look bad if they converted a museum into a church after conquering Istanbul . They will get their revenge by converting a mosque . And started a restoration to last 50 years because their voter base started damaging the place as drinking or eating the door crumbs or the wall plaster will make them more virile or cure cancer or whatever . They also love the dollars and the euros the tourists pay .

umeyyad is in Damascus . They did not conquer Damascus , but that's some very minor detail .

the last one is El Aksa .

Kudüsü de alacağız inşallah!
Kudüsü sana kim niye veriyor?

that goes along the lines that they will defeat the Zionists and the world and everything and GET the Holy City of the Abrahamic Religions . The second asks who is GIVING them the city for which reason . The enemy whom they actually never ever fought will ethnically cleanse Syria as they are so much troubled with Gazze and the West Bank filled with Palestinians . Most of the heavy lifting done by New Turkey and accordingly attrited . So that Arabs , at least those who survived will have no trouble in taking over this country . Like , it is no accident that ı have been speaking of concentration camps and gas chambers like since ...

actually , looked it up . The first one with the intent seems to be the Super Star Destroyer Misinterpretator post on Feb 23, 2013 . Yes , if people can , they will put us into concentration camps and gas chambers as claimed Jews while Israel exists . It is some core prophecy of Christian Conspiracy tradition , lots of dead people . Those in this country who think they will survive perhaps by being flexible , or some different ethnicity or the willingness to conform , or even making up a claim for a different ethnicity ? You will become slaves , your women will be taken away , you will be s_domized (mostly figuratively but also sometimes literally) because your claimed expertise and knowledge and wisdom and capability does not exist . You are going to be willingly spent to realize the wildest fantasies of others . It is only the thing that they can't limit the fight to your glorious existance .

so , with such crazy rebuttal of gifts and awards and challenge to the US , how can it be ever possible that the 6th gen can happen in Ankara ? Uhm , like watch ...


 
Boeing going backwards as production’s slowing and woes keep flowing

Beleaguered aerospace outfit Boeing has revealed how many commercial aircraft it shipped in 2024, and the news isn’t good.

The company on Tuesday revealed it sent 348 new aircraft down the runway last year, 265 of them 737s in addition to 18 767s, 14 777s, and 51 787s.

Buidling an aircraft almost every day sounds like quite the achievement, given the complexity of a modern airliner and the long supply chains required to make them.

But Boeing data reveals that it shipped 528 planes in 2023, so it went backwards in 2024.

Rival plane-maker Airbus has not experienced similar turbulence. In 2023 the company launched 766 planes, up from the 735 it reported in 2023.

Airbus does have one advantage in that it counts the A220 regional jet in its total, having acquired its originator – Canadian firm Bombardier – in 2020. But A220 production isn’t enormous, with 68 built in 2023 and 75 last year. Even if Airbus excluded the A220, it would still have flown higher than Boeing.

The France-based plane-maker’s biggest seller remains the A320 family, 602 of which took to the skies for the first time last year. 32 widebody A330s and 57 A350s joined them. Airbus also has a new hit on its hands in the form of the A321XLR variant that gives the single-aisle workhorse the range to comfortably tackle trans-Atlantic flights.

Boeing’s commercial plane production slowdown is attributable to industrial action and safety concerns that have seen it revisit practices and procedures to ensure it doesn’t do things like deliver planes that are missing bolts that hold doors in place or write software that can make planes crash.

The company’s other offerings also have problems. Exhibit A is the Starliner space capsule that is designed to carry astronauts to orbit and back again, but which in June 2024 made it into space after years of delays but was then rated too dangerous to make the return journey with a crew aboard. Hitch-hiking or summoning an Uber are not options in space, so the pair of ‘nauts who rode Starliner to the International Space station now face many months in orbit while they wait for a ride home.
 
Airbus also suffered of the supply chains crisis. Last june, they revised their delivery target in 2024 from the initial 800 to 770. They ended up the year with 766.

Yet Airbus CEO, Guillaume Faury, announced that supply chains improved recently. Deliveries in November and December were already significantly higher than during previous months. As such, he recently maintained the production ramp up objectives as follows:
  • A220: 14/month by 2026
  • A320: 75/month by 2027
  • A330: 4/month by 2025
  • A350: 10/month by 2026 (recently revised at 12/month by 2028)
Note that those targets are based on standard activity whereas there are period of lower activity such as august or the Christmas season. Therefore actual yearly production isn't 12 times that figure but less, from 10 to 11 times. This being said, if they do reach such high production rates, that woud mean they would deliver more than 1,000 aircraft a year maybe as soon as 2028.

Boeing faces more challenges as well-explained by @Samson. And beyond their production issues, they don't have enough orders to follow anyway. So it seems the dominance of Airbus will very likely continue for several years, maybe up to 2030.
 

I'm not happy with Boeing, Trump says over Air Force One​

The US President Donald Trump has said he is not happy with Boeing over a contract to build two new Air Force One planes that is running behind schedule.

Speaking on board one of the 35-year-old presidential planes that are currently in use, Trump also said he is looking for alternatives because it is taking Boeing too long to build the planes.

The contract for two updated versions of the presidential plane based on the modern Boeing 747-8 were negotiated during Trump's first term in office.

Boeing did not immediately respond to a request for comment from BBC News.

"No, I'm not happy with Boeing. It takes them a long time to do, you know, Air Force One, we gave that contract out a long time ago," Trump said.

"We may buy a plane or get a plane, or something."

When asked whether he would consider buying new planes from Boeing's European rival, Airbus, Trump said "No, I would not consider Airbus over Boeing, but I could buy one that was used and convert it."

It comes days after Trump visited a 13-year-old Boeing 747-800 that had been owned by the Qatari royal family while it was parked at Palm Beach International Airport.

The new aircraft from Boeing were set for delivery in 2024 but the plane maker has pushed the delivery back to 2027 or 2028.

During his first term as president, Trump forced the plane maker to renegotiate its contract, calling the initial deal too expensive.

That contract has already cost Boeing billions of dollars.

Kitting out the planes for presidential use is extremely costly. It requires installing highly-classified and complex communications, safety and accessibility features.

Last year was dreadful for Boeing. The aerospace giant lost $11.8bn (£9.4bn) across the whole of 2024, its worst result since 2020, when the aviation industry was grounded by the Covid pandemic.

In the three months to the end of December, when strikes were affecting the business, it lost $3.8bn.

As well as suffering from well-publicised problems at its commercial aircraft unit, Boeing also faced issues with number of defence programmes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkm71xme3xo
 
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He always can beg his daddy Putin for some crappy Tupolev.
 
He always can beg his daddy Putin for some crappy Tupolev.
why bother when he can instead dig in your pockets to pay for Boeing fail sons to build a flying rocket?
 
finally Boeing wins the USAF portion of NGAD . With P-47 . Like people will say Trump was swayed by the 47 as he is the 47th President . That's wrong . At its supposed beginning Trump was the 45th President .

this follows the British practice with the BAC portion in the BAe winning the contracts using names from HSA . Tornado , Typhoon and Tempest are the names of various versions of the same airframe between 1940 and '44 or '45 . The American stuff starts with the F-35 . Instead of Lockhead's P-38 ... P-35 was the Republic loser that eventually led to the war winning Thunderbolt in P-47 form . They have arrived there with the FQ method . 42 went to General Atomics or whatever to justify the "undeniable" narrative that Musk was given the chance to revolutionize the combat jet business with the 42 but he let it pass ; Thiel's lot then given the FQ-44 moniker .

this post will make more sense when one figures out all these numbers relate to real life programmes . NGAD shares the same acronym for two different programmes . Boeing expected to win it in 1990s , the reason they agreed to buy McDD's military business instead of Northrop Grumman . That was divided into two because of its impact on profits over decades but the USAF and USN versions DO have to possess extensively similar avionics and software to operate drones and missiles of both services against the Chinese .
 
Once again US government comes to save Boeing which was always a state owned military company anyway, which arrived to the jet airliners industry basically by accident. This time with the F-47 Trumpy (amazing they chose the 47 for the 47th president, the arse licking here is unprecedented) which is claimed to be harder, better, faster, stronger and above all, much more expensive than anything seen before.

I wonder how such an economically motivated design will behave in the future air war, which will be dominated by small drones. All the money supposedly saved by Musk and by dismantling education, healthcare, etc, etc wasted in an useless monstrosity, dead at birth if not cancelled before, as this kind of projects use to take decades. Obviously it will not be called F-47 by then, since Trump will be (hopefully) dead and buried face down, and his name erased from all monuments.

Needless to say, Lockheed stock went down while Boeing went up sharply. The main prize for the 'better', meritocracy at its best.
 
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this is pure Europanism . It is F-47 , because it implies there were possibly upto 9 manned prototypes between the F-35 and this one . A Lockmart test pilot already claims (in Linkedn or what that is) he flew the YF-45 test plane . It is (at least in propaganda terms) some achievement . And the Boeing plane is already better than the Franco-German or British competitors . It is like 7 or 8 years old , must have really gone Mach 2 because the pacing thing , the early F-40s .


like , let us have some respect for the people who have died . No , am not going to buy it or sell it .
 
yes , the wikipedia link .

ı had checked this thread itself to see whether ı had implied the Boeing had won . June or July 2024 at most . 2029 will be like operational or what ? It IS better than the Europeans on paper or whatever . This is something like the inertia of the US Aerospace leading the Western business field and stuff for the last 80 years or so .
 
the first Chinese NGAD was J-36 . The second , like available for export in some undetermined time , is "tentatively" J-50 . The Chinese Intelligence already knew the USAF NGAD would be "late 40s" .
 
Once again US government comes to save Boeing which was always a state owned military company anyway, which arrived to the jet airliners industry basically by accident. This time with the F-47 Trumpy (amazing they chose the 47 for the 47th president, the arse licking here is unprecedented) which is claimed to be harder, better, faster, stronger and above all, much more expensive than anything seen before.

I wonder how such an economically motivated design will behave in the future air war, which will be dominated by small drones. All the money supposedly saved by Musk and by dismantling education, healthcare, etc, etc wasted in an useless monstrosity, dead at birth if not cancelled before, as this kind of projects use to take decades. Obviously it will not be called F-47 by then, since Trump will be (hopefully) dead and buried face down, and his name erased from all monuments.

Needless to say, Lockheed stock went down while Boeing went up sharply. The main prize for the 'better', meritocracy at its best.

Wasn't the F-35 program like $2 trillion?
The lifetime earnings of 1 million workers?

Yes, Boeing should build the F-47 :lmao:
For President 47!!!


Cha-ching
 
in order not to offend Trump once he started to like the idea , USAF officially claims that the name honours the
P-47 , the year USAF was founded in the 1900s and oh , really , is an homage to the 47th President .

yeah , if you say so ... The sweet spot would have been F-43 , a more succesful P-35 on the way to the Thunderbolt . And like ...

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the SA-43 Hammerhead ... Has the dihedral , right ?
 
Delta passengers forced to 'hold the plane together' after roof caves in

Travellers on a Delta flight from Atlanta to Chicago got more than they bargained for when the interior of the plane started to collapse.

“The attendants finally duct taped it after he held it up for a while,” Payne explained in the caption.

“Delta offered 10,000 miles (about $100 dollars) after they had to go back to Atlanta, wait for hours and deplane and get on another plane to Chicago,” he continued.

 
many people will be laughing at Trump and his F-55 . Which by the consensus of many on the internet , apparently came from what Trump sits on since the day he was born .

that's not the question for you to ask . This instead is the question . What do hydroelectric dams have got to do with Boeing ? For this post , quite a lot ...

it was 1952 or 55 or whatever when Israelis started writing articles on the water supply issue . A enlarged form of the "Periphery States" espoused by Ben Gurion , this seeked Turkey , lran and Ethiopia damming rivers that flowed into the major Arab countries . Finding a Western audience only after the Egyptians started on the Aswan Dam themselves . Which was welcomed by the West until it was succesfully sabotaged and whatnot by ardent anti-Communists in the US , which turned the "neutral" Nasser into an "enemy" of the West . The Suez canal was nationalized to pay for the Dam , the Colonial Europeans tried to stab Ike in the back when he was highly hoping to reap nice stuff from Hungarian issues . You know , big stuff , small wins leading to eventual big victory and stuff ...

anti-Semitism is a real thing . Israelis were unliked as Socialists who were only tolerated because of the Holocaust , their power in the media was limited to those who would have cared to listen to them . And everyone would look into some dark motive behind whatever they did . In this case , the French arming Israel with nuclear weapons , with the idea that a temporary humbling of Egypt would or even could have changed the course of the war in Algeria . Still nothing Turkish wise .

it was 1957 . Eisenhower had been briefed with remarks from odd sources that the US no longer was out of range as the Russians could now orbit objects . Something actually banned by treaties and whatnot as minor powers can copy this too , dropping things down from fractional orbits and stuff , cheaper than a fully done ICBM . Sputnik was a major media event , because the Jews in the media of New York collaborated with European interests to hurt Ike , after the debacle of the Canal . This made him to consider things fully . Things like the only time Israelis could ever need a nuclear weapon as a blackmail thing against people they were not ever going to be able to defeat . Which were not Arabs , nor the Superpowers , nor the rest of the UN Security Council 5 . The only states allowed by the UN structure to have nuclear weapons . Of which France had not yet succeded and Taiwan seemed most unlikely to invade the Asian continent ; thus it might have to be the Red China .

this is why everything kinda sorta changed , with Eisenhower faciliating , from 1958 onwards .

this is why by 1970 people from this country could talk planes with any US company they chose to . It was an unique situation . If ı was somehow taken to 1958 , ı would have failed anyhow , like because ı am r16 . If the guy who made the deal with Eisenhower in 1958 was taken to any other year , he wouldn't have managed to do it .

no , this does not conflict with previous stuff . One deals with Israel that destabilizes the Middle East order America desires in the Fifties and might try to nuke a NATO ally come 70s or 80s or whatever . The other involves some guy in Lord Vader's lot:

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hey , wait , you can always assume the very same European -former- Colonialists and their proxy in the Middle East trying their things . Like nobody was talking about an Israeli-Turkish war and Israeli Goverment Ministers were not talking about a Greater Israel before Syria fell , right ?

"big picture" is a concept so much liked as mocking subject . Süleyman Demirel was "the king of dams" , being the youngest ever Goverment official at his level during the Menderes era , he wouldn't have opposed building dams on Dicle-Fırat ; and various American goverments kept him out of trouble all along ; he shouldn't have ended up as the Centre Right leader after Celal Bayar started to hate his guts . Bülent Ecevit as Centre Left wouldn't have the slightest problem with irrigation and richer farmers , even with richer farmers with Kurdish origins . They would do the dams and might or might cut the rivers ... And both of them ignored all the indignant charges against some bunch of traitors . If it came to that and it was that much necessary they WOULD have bought this

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not the real thing and at CFC there is no need for people to see the light or something , but Lockmart strangely accepted this as real last year or so . It involves putting the A-10 gun into an F-16 and it is not like easy and it is really dumb , if you ask anyone with a degree in aeronautics . Except it was some work , quite a bit of it real and actually proposed . Because Eisenhower . As USAF observers and some USN observers on site were laughing at it as a joke , the General Dynamics people were willing to sign contracts and stuff and the fools willing to buy . Supposedly there are like 983 different drawings between the museum piece and what was to fly . From this CFC people will only deduce that Lockmart was resigning to let USAF NGAD go (becoming the Boeing F-47) but there is something that will connect this garbage and new stuff and it will be to some minor Lockmart advantage . Nothing is free in life , or something .

as capable as this country could manage back in the day , the guys were after an improved F-5 , beyond the stupid little thing America was dumping on the unworthy and the F-16 F-16C was eventually became the chosen thing with lack of other options and stuff , to cut the story short . Like the basic F-16 is still limited in stuff but it would have been the export thing we could buy in peacetime and whatever .

once the Cold War was over and the world was unipolar and American Evangelists allowed their pals to bask in the glory of having become the very single American Foreign interest and even when the Pentagon failed to place new generations of stealth fighters , the F-22 being the foremost into the service , the F-16 was still there . So , in a some no doubt glorious feat worthy of remembering with parades in downtown Washington DC every year , USAF blocked the F-16 , with bringing UAE as a partner . Like the radar on the E/F should be liquid cooled , patented and whatnot and owners being our masters who wouldn't let us to have it . And a thrust limit of 32 000 pounds and neither engine nor the avionics serve elsewhere or whatever . Like , if any foolish Americans were to discover the 1970s .

trump does not think the Roman numeral X is 5 in Arabic . He sat in Qatar with one CEO to his right and one CEO to his left . If people do not buy the F-47 , his Presidential number and whatnot , he will first sell the current 32 000 to Qatar and then use the same in a new Lockmart jet . People here will pave the streets with dogsht instead of buying Lockmart and like we are doomed or something . With the British making the Spanish buy the trainer in Ankara to put their engine in . They haven't given up the lust to spend the can-not-be-unlimited funds with their stuff . Like another door shut and people should leave this country !

but it is a decent idea , this F-55 . Already realized in the J-35 of China which mimics not the F-35 but its USAF origins from 1998 , likely to have a deeper bombbay and increased performance and no doubt Lockmart can place it into service in this century .

the thing is and this obviously a funny thing for me to say it but Culp can sign anything he likes and Trump controls the US treasury and they can do whatever they like . Clearly they haven't spoken to the Indians . Not buying the F-47 , not shirking from lobbing Sparrows/Aspides/PL-10s at the F-55 . In 20 years time , when it flies . Like what are you people afraid of ?
 
yes , the connection nobody will believe to exist is yesterday's news that Indonesia signed a memorandum of understanding thing that stipulates delivery of 48 F-24s in the next 120 months or 10 years . A contract to be worth 10 billion dollars , like way higher than what people used to talk about or its doubled in monetary value repeat offer thing . Do NOT talk about exports ... No need to say anything apart from stating nothing is for export ; we are going to be in all sorts of negative innuendo to come . Condolonces to the families and loved ones who have died in today's crash with the engines suddenly stopping to work or something . Like do Airbuses ever crash ?

no insulting anyone or anything , but it is reported the Indians fired a Turkish company running the relevant airport after their victory or something over Pakistan . No doubt unrelated but comes two months or so after this

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for those who will claim this is off-topic , like Boeing shares go down 7% or something .
 
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