The Boeing Thread

[r16]

surely the brown and tan ! If one goes back one page , this will make more sense having forced me to edit some 15 minutes afterwards ...

 

[Cutlass]

NTSB issues urgent safety alert after Boeing 737 rudder failure

The NTSB issued urgent safety recommendations to Boeing and the FAA about the risk of a 737 rudder malfunction because of a manufacturing fault.

www.seattletimes.com

NTSB issues urgent safety alert after Boeing 737 rudder failure
Sep. 26, 2024 at 5:34 pm Updated Sep. 26, 2024 at 6:49 pm


By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter

The National Transportation Safety Board issued urgent safety recommendations Thursday to Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration about the risk of a 737 rudder malfunction because of a manufacturing fault in a component.

The FAA said United was the only U.S. airline flying planes with the manufacturing defect in the rudder control system, and that United has already replaced the component on nine 737s, the only jets in its fleet where it was identified as faulty.

However, the NTSB alert may cause the grounding of some 737 MAXs and older model 737NGs flown by foreign air carriers that have not yet replaced the defective part.

The NTSB recommended that the FAA determine whether the faulty components need to be removed from airplanes, and, if so, notify aviation regulators in other countries and encourage them to require removal.

In a statement Thursday, the FAA said it “has been monitoring this situation closely.”

“Tomorrow, we will convene a corrective action review board based upon the NTSB’s interim recommendations and determine next steps,” the FAA added.

The NTSB recommended that Boeing notify flight crews operating 737s with affected components that the rudder control system can jam.

Boeing in a statement said it informed affected 737 operators in August of the potential condition with the rudder and is reviewing the NTSB recommendations.

The component that failed is part of an optional automated landing system that includes layers of redundancy, Boeing added. “We are working with our supplier to develop additional guidance.”

The NTSB also urged Boeing to come up with better instructions for pilots as to how to handle rudder jams.

Boeing’s 737 flight manual tells pilots to “overpower the jammed or restricted system [using] maximum force, including a combined effort of both pilots.”

The NTSB expressed concern that such force applied during landing “could result in a large input to the rudder pedals and a sudden, large, and undesired rudder deflection that could unintentionally cause loss of control or departure from a runway.”

The NTSB asked Boeing to come up with a more appropriate response, “besides applying maximum pedal force” for such situations.

Boeing said it will “ensure flight crews have the appropriate operating procedures.”
An incident in Newark

The rudder is a movable panel on a jet’s vertical tail fin that can deflect to one side so the air pressure on the panel turns the plane’s nose right or left.

The NTSB action arises from the investigation into an incident on Feb. 6 when, as United Airlines Flight 1539 from the Bahamas landed in Newark, N.J., the pilot found the foot pedals that move the rudder were stuck.

The component that failed moves the rudder during precision landings in low visibility conditions to steer the plane upon touchdown and keep it centered as it moves down the runway, a phase of operation known as rollout.

The United incident didn’t cause a serious problem. The captain was able to keep the airplane near the center of the runway using the nose wheel tiller, and 30 seconds after touchdown the rudder pedals began to operate normally.

Boeing had delivered that 737 MAX to United just a year earlier.

In March, Boeing said it was aware of two similar occurrences of stuck rudder pedals on the 737NG in 2019.


In the 1990s, two fatal 737 accidents — United Flight 585, which crashed in Colorado Springs in 1991 killing all 25 people on board, and USAir Flight 427 that crashed near Pittsburgh in 1994, killing all 132 people on board — were caused by a much more serious rudder malfunction.

On those flights, the rudder control power unit jammed and the rudder fully deflected to one side midflight.

A rudder that’s temporarily stuck in the neutral position, as in the United incident in February, is not so dangerous.

Nevertheless, a pilot needs a functioning rudder in case of an engine failure to counteract the turning effect of the asymmetric thrust, or in the case of a crosswind pushing a jet off course when close to the ground.
NTSB testing identifies the problem

The component that failed — the rollout guidance actuator — has a servo motor that moves the rudder. It’s made by Collins Aerospace, a unit of aerospace giant RTX, formerly known as Raytheon.

In late February, the NTSB tested two of these actuators at a Collins facility in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and discovered that when operated in very cold conditions “the actuators’ function was significantly compromised.”

Investigators found evidence of moisture inside the actuators.

Collins later determined that a sealed bearing was incorrectly assembled during production of the actuators, “leaving the unsealed side susceptible to moisture that can freeze and limit rudder system movement.”

The problem is not the design of the component, but its misassembly in the Collins facility, said NTSB spokesperson Peter Knudson.

Collins subsequently notified Boeing that it had delivered more than 353 actuators with this defect to the jet-maker since February 2017.

Of those, 25 were installed on 737s originally registered to U.S. operators, though 16 of those were subsequently leased to foreign carriers. The remaining nine were installed on United 737s.

RTX in a statement said it is working closely with the NTSB and Boeing and is supporting airlines operating 737s to mitigate the impact.

Neither RTX nor Boeing said how many airplanes globally may still have the faulty actuator.
Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or dgates@seattletimes.com; Dominic Gates is a Pulitzer Prize-winning aerospace journalist for The Seattle Times.

 

[Kaitzilla]

33000 Boeing machinists have gone on strike.

Striking Boeing factory workers say they are ready to hold out for a better contract

Blue-collar workers from Boeing are walking picket lines in the Pacific Northwest instead of building airplanes after overwhelmingly rejecting a proposed contract that would have raised their wages by 25% over four years.

apnews.com

First strike in 16 years.

I'd take 25% more pay over 4 years, but who knows what other shady stuff Boeing tried to pull.

Let's see how America's #1 exporter does without any employees to build the planes.

**Edit**
Aww, the Boeing Reddit went private.

Here is another story on the strike.

Here’s What to Know About the Latest Boeing Labor Deal

Striking Boeing workers in Washington State and Oregon are voting on a deal that could end a costly weekslong strike and restart airplane production.

www.nytimes.com

The Boeing Reddit was only private for a few days before quickly becoming public again.

The strike is now in its 3rd week.

Elvis Has Left The Building - Machinists Vs Boeing Round 2

The Boeing standoff with its machinists union continues due to an inadequate offer from the aircraft manufacturer in the face of ardent union demands.

www.forbes.com

Neither side can afford a lengthy strike. Boeing has already lost $1.3 billion, by many estimates, due to the work stoppage. Union members can’t live for long on the strike payments that only just began.

And the supply base cannot hold its breath either. Spirit AeroSystems, the provider of fuselages and other structural components for the Boeing 737, was reported to be considering furloughs if the strike lasted more than another three weeks. And smaller suppliers, with weaker balance sheets, will suffer quickly if the strike is prolonged. There have only been a handful of strikes at Boeing over the past decades, and all were settled in a month or two at most.

Everyone is on the clock to strike a deal!

And Boeing has a backlog for the 737 MAX three times that of its installed base of 1,600 MAXs ensuring production for almost a decade. Boeing will not fail. As a national champion and the nation’s largest exporter, the country will not allow it. It may suffer a debt downgrade and may have to raise new equity. But its path forward is to restore stability and get production moving to capture the profits locked inside future MAX deliveries to the airlines that are clamoring for them

Wait, that sounds like the opposite.


Will Boeing practice the famous buy high, sell low?
Spend years buying their own stock back at high prices, followed by re-issuing their stock at low prices to pay for their mistakes?

One more credit downgrade and they are junk status.


Boeing's best and final offer to end the strike was rejected by the union without even a vote.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Boeing will be laying off 10% of its 170,000 global employees.

So 17000 people.

Boeing Will Lay Off 10% Of Its Employees As A Strike By Factory Workers Cripples Airplane Production

Boeing is announcing layoffs.

www.huffpost.com

The strike continues!

 

[Crezth]

Sound of nose diving jet plane

 

[Samson]

They cannot fail, surely? Are they not a crucial part of the US military machine?

 

[r16]

like the people in the streets hear a lot of stuff . There is supposedly a 30 million gap in price ... Can't tell whether it involves the F-24G and its eventual 6th generation replacement on the production line . Or between NGAD competitors in the US . Or even Pentagon's daydreaming about things cheaper than F-35 . Russians insist a Su-35 is like 24 million dollars for delivery to their own and the Su-57 is 37 . Boeing will fall , with the current trends . When the capitalists can't eat foreigners , they eat each other .

 

[r16]

elder has decided he likes cooking . Means ı do my part by buying some of the stuff . Not because am the the younger of two , the little bro , but most obviously ı can't cook . Uhm , wait a bit , mmkay ?

Spoiler :

so , buy meat , divide it to parcels in freezer bags , use parcel by parcel over time . Fast food once a month , so , we as a family do not consume more than any average family in a given time . Yet , if you are one of the masses , that loves the Party or its Opposition equivalents or whatever and you see success as being better than your neighbour and that's the only criteria , even that might sting ... Like what , you buy the same amount of meat in a month , don't you ? We buy the same , once , instead of over a month . Simple ? Well dressed , rushes into the shop , fuming in anger , incidentally might consume the same amount in a week , to check what ı buy ...

because being richer insulates people , makes them a success story in a world of thieves , makes them accept and support the situation . Hence , eventually the thieves . That's what Morton Abromowitz once did , doing the ahs and ohs visiting the Selimiye Mosque in Edirne , with a hole in his socks . As people laughed and ı think he was the head of the World Bank at the time and that has to be 2007 as web search tells me , he was humble and he pushed New Turkey into higher gear . Internet naturally claims it was him who told the PM that he should give up Erbakan and become the Prime Minister himself in the 90s . Like New Turkey should destroy the fabled and storied Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri('ni) , the now dead Turkish Armed Forces because everybody had socks without holes in them . Except some Jew , who was nothing despite the title of being the Chairman or whatever of the World Bank at the time . They were better than the person who had failed against the same Military when he tried to get Santa Turgut invade Saddam's Iraq in 1991 , they would out do him by bringing down the evil institution that always made make believe Communism or whatever against the interests of the United States of America .

even the people ı see on the streets are vulnerable to the same set of tricks . They absolutely have no trouble in believing that ı had an affair with ... no , married to the rare p.rnstar who made millions out of the business . Because , clearly she had been cheating on me , with the evidence being almost a hundred full movies long and this automatically make them "better men" . They have no problems with me when considering the latest that has become fashionable since the summer of this year , that ı designed a combat jet aircraft , because New Turkey invented the whole business of drones and you are a traitor if you doubt that and nobody needs a jet fighter anyhow ...

but , get some guy see me buying meat and he will be ready to shout at people or fight or whatever . Living with mum at the house my late father built , elder is a retired medical doctor . Clearly we are in the middle of things , the famed Middle Class , being destroyed by Capitalism as we tend to take laws seriously and demand justice as a global class because we do not have to struggle daily to make a living . Stuff like Democracy invented by the Middle Class , right ? May God Help those with kids in school and paying rent on a single minimum wage .

anger visible ... In some . Do the same , you will need a couple of freezer bags .

and like nobody designs a fighter on its own or whatever .

there are not even single design team leaders anymore . Not since the 1970s , when Harry Hillaker had some really strong press behind him to be called as the father of the F-16 . Somewhere else on the web , ı have heard of former General Dynamics workers who did not challenge an assertation to the contrary . Hillaker definitely ran a group of 250 engineers that was taken into seclusion for weeks to steal a march on Boeing , basically working on the same Vought F8U concept , making it a production worthy . The LWF competition was for a tech demonstrator , it was not meant to end up in F-16 or 18 in wide service across the globe . GD pulled all the stops and went all the way in .

at this point you have to understand too many companies are bad for major production stuff with too much competition . The 1957 job in London when administrative fiat left the Lightning declared as the very last British fighter aircraft before SAMs took over for good forced a lot of mergers ... Something repeated in 1965 with the TSR-2 , decreasing dozens of proud and very distinctively seperate British companies into two major ones , which would finally end up in a single company by 1978 . The same process in the US had identified Republic , Vought and Grumman . Northrop was in the wrong side of USAF since the 1940s . But quality is a weapon and Republic (already bought by Fairchild) almost won the F-15 competion , actually did on technical merit if you are to believe the internet . Grumman with the Tomcat , Northrop would defeat Lockheed with the Cobra (which led to F-17/18) without support that had anointed Lockheed ever since ... something . A-7 was Vought's last , as it was (discreetly) told it would never get a deal as a "Prime" in current terms . GD needed a limited F-16 run to justify acquiring Vought , 20 or 30 miles seperating the company headquarters in Fort Worth and Dallas . Which like turned against Lockheed and its much much and very much improved F-104 with the European F-16 contract in Europe . The Sale of the Century could go that way only after USAF bought 300 odd F-16s on its own instead of an export light dog-fighter to supplant the Northrop's F-5E in just a few years' time .

this will lead to why we oppose the purchase of Eurofighters as the German Chancelor coming tomorrow or today , depending on your time zone . Big stuff to talk they have , the spiritual leader of the Congregation has traditionally died again . Came back in an hour , too !

 

[r16]

chancelor arrives . Nothing in Turkish language but in foreign languages he says New Turkey is an ally and Britain will sell the jets , by taking the lead in negotiations . Which is a lie , 4 countries own the Eurofighter , decisions must be agreed by all . But if there is money , you know what happens ...


nothing in Turkish , because the talks are to go on and there is no greatest ever victory to report on this front . But , the world is doing nothing against the obviously foul actions of Israel . And New Turkey will accept refugees from Lebanon . When translated this means Israel will ethnically cleanse the Gazze and some more in the West Bank . The Palestinians will either arrive direct . Or replace those in Lebanon who will then arrive here , waiting to be cleared for eventual legal immigration to Europe . That's about a million people .


new Turkey gets immigrant money from Europe in 3 billion euro packages . But surely you are asking if ı mixed up , because this is the Boeing thread . Yes , Germany would fund the ethnic cleansing of places for Israel because in any case you doubt , places like Sobibor are real . But , Russia is evil , they must increase defence spending , their next generation jet fighter will be in service in 2040 and the German military aviation industry needs 100 more Typhoons ordered . Spain to get 25 , Germany to get 50 . Meaning a minimum of 24 orders from New will be cool . Those will be second hand , from a various combinations that include Qatar , Saudi Arabia and Kuwait . Who will then buy new Typhoons and if money is found New Turkey will order another 16 . The 4 countries free of 40% of the cost . Super cool . 24 or 40 to cost 5.6 billion dollars . Remember something about immigrants ? Yep , that's two packages of 3 billion refugee help from EU .


except Scholz is super smart and ... If there is to be a 6th Generation jet in production like during my life time , that needs creative financing . Which is actually available , considering the Americans said some number and people are turning red seeing me buying meat and laughing at me as a pauper , because that money should make me richer than , say , the second son-in-law of the PM and he is in Forbes 500 or whatever and ever . Except ı did not have an affair with that p.rnstar , that money is most definitely not mine , am not rich and Scholz , with three other owners of the Eurofighter programme , wants that money chanelled to an emergency purchase for the aerial branch of Army of Petrol that suddenly turns out to be anemically weak for want of jet fighters and needs an infusion of fresh blood . Got this far ? We will like have to delay the production of the F-24G which in turn pushes back the 6th . Pay this with money we have found from abroad with very specific conditions in the turmoil of the Middle East where certain people are still short of what was industrially done to them some 80 years ago . Turn over this money to Germans which will turn it back to New Turkey . To faciliate the ethnic cleansing of Gazze by round about ways . At a time Party trolls attack Mustafa Kemal for losing Gazze because he was a traitor or whatever . So that the 1984 crew in the big city nearby can accuse me of having paid for the Nakhba of Gazze . Ben yapmadım Miki yaptı is a famous line in the echo chamber ı follow for the news ; meaning Mickey Mouse did all the bad things and those responsible are indeed angelically innocent and pure .

ı have been told some other forum deleted the argument as presented by some guy in a rather polite way . ı will be equally polite in return ; ı have no obligation of any sorts for the German defence industry . That will also be clear in time , before Berlin cancels its all important fighter jet or whatever .

the British of course trying to get in already . As ITAR experts on some arcane set of US rules supposedly against spying and Chinese copying and whatnot . Readily suppressing the 5 years of what applies and what does not , all of done with not a single British dude around . If we like ever need lTAR experts , we will get straight Americans , most probably people know some already .

strange ? Not at all . All those cute innocent posters on the echo chamber who say it is urgent ? Some even say the F-24G should be simplified . This is basically an attempt to denude it of its external carriage capability . Like don't you think it was made large enough to load anything the Su-57 could carry ? ı once lost a post or two in some random website that it was already seen by 2009 . Yes , this is going to be something strange about how we have nothing in missiles to integrate with NATO and whatnot . Russian is a very passable language for missiles .

if this bloody wall of text gives bleeding eyes to some , ı can always put it into spoilers .

 

[Broken_Erika]

Boeing-made satellite breaks up in space​

A communications satellite designed and built by embattled aerospace giant Boeing has broken up in orbit.
The satellite's operator, Intelsat, has confirmed the "total loss" of iS-33e, which has affected customers in Europe, Africa and parts of the Asia-Pacific region.
Intelsat also says it has taken steps to complete "a comprehensive analysis" of the incident.
Boeing has been facing crises on multiple fronts, with a strike at its commercial plane business and issues with its Starliner spacecraft.

"We are coordinating with the satellite manufacturer, Boeing, and government agencies to analyse data and observations," Intelsat said.
Boeing did not comment directly on the incident, referring BBC News to Intelsat's statements.
The US Department of Defense's space-tracking website, SpaceTrack, also confirmed the incident.
An alert on the platform said the US Space Forces also said it is "currently tracking around 20 associated pieces" of the satellite.
Separately, two astronauts have been stranded at the International Space Station (ISS) after the Boeing Starliner capsule they arrived on in June was deemed unfit to make the return flight.
They are due to travel back to Earth on a spacecraft made by Elon Musk's SpaceX next year.
Since last month, Boeing has also been dealing with a strike involving more than 30,000 workers at its commercial plane making operation.
Union members are set to vote on the company's latest offer on Wednesday.
The new offer includes a 35% pay rise over the next four years.
Last week, Boeing announced it was seeking up to $35bn (£27bn) in new funding. It also said it would start laying off 17,000 employees - about 10% of its workforce - from November.
In July, Boeing agreed to plead guilty to a criminal fraud conspiracy charge and to pay at least $243.6m after breaching a 2021 deferred prosecution deal.
The agreement was in relation to two 737-MAX planes that were lost in nearly-identical accidents that cost 346 lives more than five years ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8d886l028o

 

[r16]

the ongoing suicide attack thing in the factory in Ankara ? Turkish version of the 6th gen to be most likely named after the reported Martyr .

 

[Kaitzilla]

33000 Boeing machinists have gone on strike.

Striking Boeing factory workers say they are ready to hold out for a better contract

Blue-collar workers from Boeing are walking picket lines in the Pacific Northwest instead of building airplanes after overwhelmingly rejecting a proposed contract that would have raised their wages by 25% over four years.

apnews.com

First strike in 16 years.

I'd take 25% more pay over 4 years, but who knows what other shady stuff Boeing tried to pull.

Let's see how America's #1 exporter does without any employees to build the planes.

**Edit**
Aww, the Boeing Reddit went private.

Here is another story on the strike.

Here’s What to Know About the Latest Boeing Labor Deal

Striking Boeing workers in Washington State and Oregon are voting on a deal that could end a costly weekslong strike and restart airplane production.

www.nytimes.com

The strike has lasted around 40 days.
Today, the 33000 machinists will vote on a proposal to end the strike.

Boeing strike to continue after workers reject new contract

According to the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), 64% of workers voted to reject the new contract.

abcnews.go.com

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), the union representing 33,000 Boeing workers, released a statement on Saturday calling the proposal "worthy of consideration."

"With the help of Acting U.S. Secretary of Labor Julie Su, we have received a negotiated proposal and resolution to end the strike, and it warrants presenting to the members," IAM said.

The company and its workers have faced significant financial losses during the nearly six-week strike.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Boeing-made satellite breaks up in space​

A communications satellite designed and built by embattled aerospace giant Boeing has broken up in orbit.
The satellite's operator, Intelsat, has confirmed the "total loss" of iS-33e, which has affected customers in Europe, Africa and parts of the Asia-Pacific region.
Intelsat also says it has taken steps to complete "a comprehensive analysis" of the incident.
Boeing has been facing crises on multiple fronts, with a strike at its commercial plane business and issues with its Starliner spacecraft.

"We are coordinating with the satellite manufacturer, Boeing, and government agencies to analyse data and observations," Intelsat said.
Boeing did not comment directly on the incident, referring BBC News to Intelsat's statements.
The US Department of Defense's space-tracking website, SpaceTrack, also confirmed the incident.
An alert on the platform said the US Space Forces also said it is "currently tracking around 20 associated pieces" of the satellite.
Separately, two astronauts have been stranded at the International Space Station (ISS) after the Boeing Starliner capsule they arrived on in June was deemed unfit to make the return flight.
They are due to travel back to Earth on a spacecraft made by Elon Musk's SpaceX next year.
Since last month, Boeing has also been dealing with a strike involving more than 30,000 workers at its commercial plane making operation.
Union members are set to vote on the company's latest offer on Wednesday.
The new offer includes a 35% pay rise over the next four years.
Last week, Boeing announced it was seeking up to $35bn (£27bn) in new funding. It also said it would start laying off 17,000 employees - about 10% of its workforce - from November.
In July, Boeing agreed to plead guilty to a criminal fraud conspiracy charge and to pay at least $243.6m after breaching a 2021 deferred prosecution deal.
The agreement was in relation to two 737-MAX planes that were lost in nearly-identical accidents that cost 346 lives more than five years ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8d886l028o

Aww, up in Geo orbit too.

Intelsat 33e satellite designed by Boeing breaks up in orbit

"We believe it is unlikely that the satellite will be recoverable," Intelsat said in a statement.

www.newsweek.com

IS-33e has had other issues, with its primary thruster failing just after its launch in August 2016.
Another propulsion issue shaved 3.5 years off its 15-year planned lifetime in orbit.

 

[Kaitzilla]

The strike has lasted around 40 days.
Today, the 33000 machinists will vote on a proposal to end the strike.

Boeing strike to continue after workers reject new contract

According to the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), 64% of workers voted to reject the new contract.

abcnews.go.com

The United States' costliest strike in 2024 continues.

The union members voted NO!

Boeing Factory Workers Vote To Reject Contract And Continue 6-Week Strike

Boeing factory workers have voted to reject the company’s latest contract offer and to continue a six-week strike.

www.huffpost.com

**Edit**
36% voted yes
64% vote no

A lot closer than the vote near the start of the strike.

 

[Samson]

Boeing workers vote to end seven-week strike

Boeing workers in the United States have voted to accept the aircraft manufacturer’s latest contract offer, ending a seven-week strike that crippled production of the 737 Max and 777.

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) said on Monday that 59 percent of its members voted to approve the deal.

Under the new contract, employees will benefit from a 38 percent pay rise over four years, a $12,000 signing bonus and higher employer contributions to their retirement plans.

But the deal does not restore a defined-benefit pension that Boeing froze in 2014, a key demand of some employees.

Analysts had estimated that the strike, which halted production at its two main factories in the Seattle area, was costing Boeing about $100m in daily lost revenue.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Boeing workers vote to end seven-week strike

Boeing workers in the United States have voted to accept the aircraft manufacturer’s latest contract offer, ending a seven-week strike that crippled production of the 737 Max and 777.

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) said on Monday that 59 percent of its members voted to approve the deal.

Under the new contract, employees will benefit from a 38 percent pay rise over four years, a $12,000 signing bonus and higher employer contributions to their retirement plans.

But the deal does not restore a defined-benefit pension that Boeing froze in 2014, a key demand of some employees.

Analysts had estimated that the strike, which halted production at its two main factories in the Seattle area, was costing Boeing about $100m in daily lost revenue.

Yup, the strike is over!

The CEO gave an ultimatum that the next contract offer would be worse if the union rejected the latest offer.

The union members voted to take it.
So probably a good deal for them.

Boeing CEO delivers ultimatum to Machinists

New Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg had a message for striking Machinists — accept the latest offer, or the next one will be worse.

www.seattletimes.com

New Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg this week intervened directly in the negotiations with the Machinists and personally delivered a tough message: If striking union members on Monday reject the company’s latest offer, the next contract proposal will be less generous, with potentially serious consequences for the future.

“We can’t just keep giving more,” was Ortberg’s position, Machinists union leader Jon Holden said Friday in an interview. “The next offer will be regressive.”

While Boeing did not specify what would be taken away from Thursday’s offer if it were to fail, Holden said that could mean cutting any number of gains, including canceling a commitment to build the next airplane in the Puget Sound region, backing away from a 38% wage increase or losing a 1% decrease in health care costs.

“They said anything’s on the table,” said Holden, president of Machinists union District 731. “They are looking at other options.”

 

[innonimatu]

So the machinists setlled without the pensions?
They were probably afraid of some government crackdown on unions after the election. The railway strike was hit with one.
At least they got some of the things they wanted. Good.

 

[r16]

elon Musk , the bane of all civilized men , allows no unions in his companies , set to appear as the minister for destruction of red tape in the BSSS cabinet . Meaning in two years there will be no more unions in Boeing .

 

[Quintillus]

Looks like a really smart decision to accept that offer on Monday. Get most of what they want with the most pro-union presidential administration in a lifetime in power, and not run the risk of extending it into the administration of a much less worker-friendly administration.

Smart for Boeing too, those airplanes don't build themselves.

 

[innonimatu]

Looks like a really smart decision to accept that offer on Monday. Get most of what they want with the most pro-union presidential administration in a lifetime in power, and not run the risk of extending it into the administration of a much less worker-friendly administration.

Smart for Boeing too, those airplanes don't build themselves.

The most what now? You lot are really in a bad situation if that was true. Didn't Biden crush the railway strike?