The Classical Freedom loving Left vs the Regressive Leftists

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From your post, it was 'do you think the West should get involved in wars overseas?', which continued into this idea of helping people. It's entirely legitimate to reject the idea that intervening in wars helps, or is the best way of helping. Otherwise, you can make all sorts of fun arguments. Do you agree that drink-driving should carry the death penalty? After all, isn't road safety important?
 
Right... how many questions can you avoid? The original question in the post was "do we not have a moral responsibility to help people who are suffering in Syria", MY question was "how do events in Australia 200 years ago supply any useful context to that question". Your response is to talk about bombs and missiles and drink driving.

So I don't think there's much point continuing here. Peace.
 
more diversity or more accuracy?
Politically Incorrect: Coen Brothers Don’t Care If Their Movie Isn't Diverse Enough
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/04/politically-incorrect-coen-brothers-dont
'It’s important to tell the story you’re telling in the right way.'

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An interesting post from a rightwing source

Conservative Twitter Users Should Fight Back
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/17/conservative-twitter-users-must-fight-back/
There are those who will disagree and say that the best option is to simply leave Twitter, or create an alternative. After all, isn’t that how conservatives countered the bias of the mainstream media? In broadcast, Fox broke the domination of liberal networks to become the most trusted national news channel in America, even among Democrats. On the internet, Breitbart’s traffic is surging ahead while competitors on the regressive left, like Gawker, decline. Couldn’t a fair and balanced competitor to Twitter do the same?
There’s no doubt that the moment is perfect for a competitor to emerge. Twitter’s stock is in freefall, active users are leaving the site, and investors are uneasy. Nevertheless, without active pressure from an organised force of conservative and culturally libertarian web users, there’s no guarantee that such a replacement wouldn’t follow the pattern of other social media sites: an initial commitment to free speech, followed by a series of capitulations to Silicon Valley progressives.


Dear Millennials, Stop Trying To Control Free Speech
http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/millennials-stop-control-free-speech/1383987/
For those of you who might think banning offensive speech would be beneficial, I understand where you’re coming from as I too would like to live in a tolerant and progressive society where people are not oppressed and ostracized via hurtful language.
But, I’m not sure if you’re considering the broader implications of supporting limits on free speech and how treacherous a road it can be.
Protecting free speech is essential to the health of any democracy, and just because we don’t like what someone is saying doesn’t mean we can or should prevent him or her from saying it.
 
if you guys want to see an update on the whole jihad and immigration thing you only need look at Pamela Geller's sites, she might be right conservative so take it with a pinch of salt but if half of what she says is true then the West is in for troubled times

Bombshell: TWITTER Hiding Conservative Tweets
https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller

ISIS publicly beheads Iraqi teenager for ‘listening to western music’ - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/02/isi...teenager-for-listening-to-western-music.html/
This is unimaginable savagery, but it isn’t “extremism”; it’s just Islam, which forbids music except nasheeds, songs for jihad. Islam opposes music, representational art, and so much more that nourishes the soul.

UK: Police arrest man for “offensive” comment about Muslim migrants http://pamelageller.com/2016/02/uk-...offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants.html/

Ohio: Muslim Machete Attacker Screamed “ALLAHU AKBAR” While Hacking Up Restaurant Patrons
http://pamelageller.com/2016/02/ohio-muslim-machete-attacker-screamed-allahu-akbar.html/

Apple refuses to hack iPhone of San Bernadino jihad slaughterers - See more at:
http://pamelageller.com/2016/02/app...hone-of-san-bernadino-jihad-slaughterers.html
 
Ryika do you not feel the San Bernardino Jihadists gave up their rights when they started building IEDs and ran around scream Allah hu Akcbar while shooting American citizens and murdering other people


I feel it might all kick off in Europe come summer


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Some of the stuff you can find online on facebook and the blogs this week, the first video above, while I hope it is not true
and quite frankly, it's all anyone really needs to see.

She is perhaps an average French citizen, grew up and loves her native Calais, cannot believe her eyes at what is going on. Not since the NAZIS invaded France had there been such an invasion and take over by outsiders.

And the worst part is, their own regressive left elected officials are letting it happen !


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Former world champion Mariusz Pudzianowski

Ex-World's Strongest Man threatens refugees hiding in his lorries with a baseball bat in chilling post
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ex-worlds-strongest-man-threatens-7360517

A former World's Strongest Man turned haulage company owner is facing prosecution after saying he would beat any refugees who smuggled themselves on his lorries with a baseball bat.

Pole Mariusz Pudzianowski issued the threat after his company was fined £40,000 for unwittingly allowing eight refugees to smuggle themselves on board a Britain-bound truck at Calais.

The brutish bodybuilder uploaded photos to Facebook of refugees hiding in the lorry's cargo alongside a picture of him wielding a baseball bat.

On the pictures' caption, he wrote: "With this [baseball bat] I'll be waiting on my trailer at the ferry from Calais to the UK.

"We are dealing with the protection of personal property.

"If someone attacks you, you have the right to defend yourself, and if you steal something and are caught in the act you have the right to deal with him to prevent crime."

The MMA fighter also claimed the refugees did £23,000 worth of damage to stock in the truck.

He added: "The cost of the destroyed goods is about 30,000 Euros. The driver was stopped by police for 48 hours and bailed for 5,000 euros and the matter is now waiting to go to court.

"At no time have I called for hatred or attacks on different religions, nationalities.

"There is a difference between the incitement to violence and defending when one is affected.

"I won't allow another group of immigrants onto my trucks. I don't want my employees to be put at risk from refugees armed with knives."

Pudzianowsk is now under investigation by Polish police for inciting hatred and racism.



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EU's East wants plan to seal Greek border if Turkey deal fails
http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/...al-greek-border-if-turkey-deal-fails-1.394245
The European Union's eastern members agreed that should a deal with Turkey to stem the flow of refugees into Europe fail, the bloc should have a "plan B" that would seal Greece's northern borders.

Leaders of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary, meeting in Prague three days before an EU summit, offered troops, police and other aid to Macedonia and Bulgaria, which border Greece, to keep refugees from continuing their journey to the heart of the continent. While leaders stopped short of suggesting an immediate cut-off of Greece from the visa-free Schengen area, they said a plan B should be ready by April.

"We are waiting for the results of the EU-Turkey pact," Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said Monday. "There are attempts to make it work. But if this attempt fails, we won't have an alternative other than drawing a new Schengen border. Our stance in Brussels will be that we want a plan B."

Europe's refugee crisis has divided the EU and is threatening borderless travel within the Schengen area, a principle that underpins the 28-nation trading bloc. While German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been trying to form a "coalition of the willing'' that would accept refugees, the bloc's eastern members steadfastly refuse to do so, and want migrant flows into the trading bloc via the Balkans halted.

The leaders in Prague affirmed their support for an initiative that's angered Germany, the desired destination for most of the refugees, which has been trying to convince other EU members to accept bloc-wide quotas for settling migrants. The Slovak government received a complaint from the German ambassador over the weekend, Fico said Feb. 13.

More than 76,000 migrants and refugees have crossed from the shores of Turkey to Greek islands this year, up from less than 5,000 in the same period in 2015, according to the United Nations' refugee agency. A record 856,000 people arrived in Greece by sea last year, UN data show, most of them making their toward central Europe via Macedonia, the former Yugoslav republic to the north.

The EU has tried to seal a deal with Turkey, which initially promised to crack down on human traffickers and keep the refugees -- primarily from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq -- on its territory in exchange for 3 billion euros ($3.35 billion) in aid. The agreement has so far failed to deliver results, with tens of thousands of people still braving the sea to Greek islands. Syrian government forces, with Russian air support, have encircled Aleppo, threatening to ignite the exodus of thousands from the rebel-held city.

Merkel last week met Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and said the only way to end the flood of illegal immigrants was to allow the EU to screen refugees on Turkish soil and bring in legally those who qualify for asylum.

Greece's government has dismissed criticism of its handling of the crisis, saying that the sheer size of the problem overwhelms the country's resources. The government in Athens said its navy vessels can't use force against plastic boats carrying unarmed refugees, including women and children. It also accused European governments of having failed to fulfill their commitments to accept thousands of refugees.
 
some more
http://therationalists.org/2016/02/17/drowning-in-banality/
The Political Regression Into Meaningless Self Righteousness
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/robbie-travers-no-home-left-opponents-islamism#

Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins Rip ‘Regressive Leftists’ Giving a ‘Free Pass’ to Islam
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027225415
Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins, two of the most famous atheists in the U.S., both ripped “regressive leftists” for failing to understand they are anything but liberal when it comes to Islam.

They first chatted a bit about the stereotype from conservatives that atheists are “humorless and angry” before Maher said he “--ing hate” liberals too. He and Dawkins lamented how PC and close-minded supposedly liberal college campuses are getting these days.

And then Maher brought up the issue he’s gotten plenty of flak on: Islam. He mocked the idea that it’s a “protected species” while Dawkins said it’s ridiculous to decry criticism of a religion as racist.


Robbie Travers: No Home on the Left for Opponents of Islamism
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ather-than-isis-or-islamophobes-a6875446.html

THE JAPAN STORY
take from forums nitro
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=263831&an=0&page=18#Post263831
ISLAM HASN’T CHANGED: WE HAVE
RACHEL MOLSCHKY 12 COMMENTS
When the most violent religion on earth is called the religion of peace, it may be time to consider the fact that something is seriously wrong with our society. In the past, Westerners and other non-Muslims had no trouble speaking their mind on a religion which has been all about the sword from the get-go. There are various compilations of quotes from an array of statesmen, philosophers, historians, and theologians throughout the ages on the brainwashing, the savagery and the lies which are all intrinsic to a religion which not only conquers with the sword but also maintains itself with the sword. In other words, convert or die (or live as a dhimmi, a second-class citizen), and if you leave and become an apostate, you die as well.

Al-Qaradawi (Source: Wikipedia.org)
Al-Qaradawi (Source: Wikipedia.org)
Yusuf Al Qaradawi, a leading Islamic scholar, explained this himself: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment Islam wouldn’t exist today.”

Qaradawi might know a thing or two about Islam. He is described by Pam Geller as “a preeminent Egyptian scholar. Articulate and widely read, he is one of the most commented on scholars of Islam. Al Qaradawi is a founder of the website IslamOnline.net, one of the intellectual leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood movement, and the most influential leader associated with the movement.” Why would a highly respected Muslim scholar say such a thing if it weren’t true, if Islam really was a “religion of peace”?

The fact is that Islam has not changed. The apostasy punishment is as valid today as it ever was. What has changed, however, is society and our reaction to Islam and Muslims in general.

The Haran Gawaitha is a Mandaean text written during the 7th to 9th centuries. It refers to Muhammad as “the Son-of-Slaughter, the Arab,” “a false prophet,” and explains that he “converted people to himself by the sword.” As a point of reference, Muhammad lived from 570-632 CE. His battles occurred in the 7th century, and therefore this work was partially written in the same timeframe or close to it.

St. Thomas Aquinas (Source: http://www.biography.com/people/st-thomas-aquinas-9187231)
St. Thomas Aquinas (Source: http://www.biography.com/people/st-thomas-aquinas-9187231)
Hundreds of years went by, yet nothing changed. Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225 – 1274), a famous theologian, minced no words when he wrote of Muhammad: “He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men… no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning, Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms…”

These violent murders continued throughout history, totaling over 200 million. Just since the 9/11 attacks in 2001, there have been over 21,000 deadly attacks around the world, and the body count from those attacks is unfathomable. The Islamic conquests of Muhammad continue, though now in a more deceptive manner, spreading to the West, conquering and reconquering parts of Europe and working their way to countries like the US and Australia, mainly through liberal immigration laws. But once in, homegrown terror acts and money laundering to fund terror are a piece of cake. And the Muslim expansion naturally occurs while families settle, have children and build mosques where “death to the infidels” is preached. Then second generation Muslim immigrants are able to run for public office or get appointed to key government positions, and the face of the nation is changed.



Yet Islam itself has not changed, nor have its believers. What has changed is us. Compare how we felt about Islam in the past to our current “open-minded” politically correct mentality:

Then:

“Qur’an… an accursed book… So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.” -William Gladstone, British Prime Minister four times in the 1800s

Now (2002):

“America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality.” -US President George W. Bush

Then:

“…Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” -Sir Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister during WWII and in the early 1950s

Now (2011):

“Islam is a religion, observed peacefully and devoutly by over a billion people. Islamist extremism is a political ideology, supported by a minority… Someone can be a devout Muslim and not be an extremist. We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing.” -British Prime Minister David Cameron




Thomas Jefferson (Source: http://www.biography.com/people/thomas-jefferson-9353715)
Thomas Jefferson (Source: http://www.biography.com/people/thomas-jefferson-9353715)
Then:

“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.” -US Minister to France and later 3rd President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson, on Tripoli’s Ambassador response as to what right they had to start a war upon nations that had done them no harm (in the context of the First Barbary War)

Now (2002):

“Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind.” –US President George W. Bush

“Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America.” -US President George W. Bush

Then:

“He (Muhammad) poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature..” -6th President of the United States John Quincy Adams

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread885069/pg1
Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread885069/pg1
Now (2013):

“Throughout our history, Islam has contributed to the character of our country, and Muslim Americans, and their good works, have helped to build our nation — and we’ve seen the results. We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants — farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities. Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped to unlock the secrets of our universe.

“Every day, Muslim Americans are helping to shape the way that we think and the way that we work and the way that we do business. And that’s the spirit that we celebrate tonight…” -President Barack Hussein Obama at the annual White House Iftar dinner for Ramadan

Then:

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” – Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus (1350 – 1425)

Now (2013):

“…Neither Islam nor UK foreign policy to blame for Woolwich attack.” –London Mayor Boris Johnson’s response to Lee Rigby’s murder

Then:

“I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad…” – French political thinker and historian Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville (1805 – 1859)

Now (2007):

“It is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the Muslim way of life, not the other way around.” British Prime Minister David Cameron

Then:

“The sword of Mahomet, and the Coran, are the most fatal enemies of Civilization, Liberty, and Truth, which the world has yet known.” –Sir William Muir, KCSI (1819-1905), Scottish historian and writer specializing in the history of the time of Muhammad and the early caliphate

Now (2013):

“This was not just an attack on Britain and on the British way of life, it was also a betrayal of Islam and of the Muslim communities who give so much to our country. There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act.” -British Prime Minister David Cameron after the brutal Islamic slaying of soldier Lee Rigby

Then:

“[Islam] is essentially an obstructive, intolerant system, supplying just sufficient good to stand in the way of greater good. It has consecrated despotism; it has consecrated polygamy; it has consecrated slavery. It has declared war against every other creed; it has claimed to be at least dominant in every land… When it ceases to have an enemy to contend against, it sinks into sluggish stupidity… It must have an enemy; if cut off, like Persia, from conflict with the infidel, it finds its substitute in sectarian hatred of brother Moslems… By [only] slightly reforming, it has perpetuated and sanctified all the evils of the eastern world. It has, by its aggressive tenets, brought them into more direct antagonism with the creed and civilization of the west.” –Edward Augustus Freeman (1823-1892), English historian and politician

Now (2008):

“Muslims make a huge contribution to Britain’s success – to our prosperity, our society and our culture. And of course, Ramadan is an opportune time to consider the contribution of Islam not just to Britain, but to the world: Islamic art, science, and philosophy have enriched our lives over many centuries.” -British Prime Minister Gordon Brown

Then:

“To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Muhammad and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing.” –General George S. Patton, US Army general known for various commands throughout his career, especially during WWII

Now (2009):

“The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam… In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical not just in rolling back the violent ideologies that people of all faiths reject, but also to strengthen opportunity for all its people…. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans… Our focus will be on what we can do, in partnership with people across the Muslim world, to advance our common hopes and our common dreams…” -President Barack Hussein Obama II to the Turkish Parliament

Source: http://grumpajoesplace.com/cartoons/
Source: http://grumpajoesplace.com/cartoons/
Now, a reality check. What has really changed in all these years? Over 200 million people have died and continue to die in the name of this “religion.” The influx of Muslim immigration in recent years has brought unimaginable horrors to the West: honor killings, rapes and massive sex grooming cases, an increase in crime as Muslims in prison account for a far higher percentage than their share of the population, violent protests, hate preachers, an increase in domestic violence, female genital mutilation, financial drain on social benefits programs due to welfare abuse, polygamy (another component of welfare abuse), absurd demands, “Muslim charities” which are often fronts for fundraising schemes for terrorist groups, homegrown terrorism and more. These are the wonderful contributions Muslims have made to mankind and to our society in particular? This is the “rich civilization,” the “religion that respects others?” These things are “enriching our society?”

Nothing has changed throughout the course of history in terms of Islam, and these quotes from the past still ring true today. Sure, there have been periods of calm here and there, but the violence reignites. And it is not only in one country or another. It is worldwide. Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt, Nigeria… these are perhaps expected. But the US, the UK, Sweden, France…? Churchill, Jefferson, Adams, Gladstone- these leaders understood Islam and never would have allowed this attack on our civilization to occur without fighting back. Open border immigration policies and over-the-top political correctness are nothing short of negligence. We need leaders with the courage and boldness of our past. The fear of stepping on someone’s toes is not exactly leadership. And if something doesn’t give, this pendulum which is currently too far to the left will suddenly go too far to the right because when things get out of hand, the typical human reaction is to overcompensate. Many of these issues can be resolved by changing policies and laws. It’s a start, at least, if our leaders are courageous enough to go against “today’s” grain and follow in the footsteps of our great leaders of yesteryear.

By: Rachel Molschky

from a rightwing conservative online source
Lilley from Rebel Media says Canada "Stop Helping Hamas"

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and another vid on multi-culturalism


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Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins were were very vocal critics

“Islam makes very large claims for itself. In its art, there is a prejudice against representing the human form at all. The prohibition on picturing the prophet – who was only another male mammal – is apparently absolute. So is the prohibition on pork or alcohol or, in some Muslim societies, music or dancing. Very well then, let a good Muslim abstain rigorously from all these. But if he claims the right to make me abstain as well, he offers the clearest possible warning and proof of an aggressive intent.”

Now to Islam. It is, first, a religion that makes very large claims for itself, purporting to be the last and final word of God and expressing an ambition to become the world’s only religion. Some of its adherents follow or advocate the practice of plural marriage, forced marriage, female circumcision, compulsory veiling of women, and censorship of non-Muslim magazines and media. Islam’s teachings generally exhibit suspicion of the very idea of church-state separation. Other teachings, depending on context, can be held to exhibit a very strong dislike of other religions, as well as of heretical forms of Islam. Muslims in America, including members of the armed forces, have already been found willing to respond to orders issued by foreign terrorist organizations. Most disturbingly, no authority within the faith appears to have the power to rule decisively that such practices, or such teachings, or such actions, are definitely and utterly in conflict with the precepts of the religion itself.

Reactions from even “moderate” Muslims to criticism are not uniformly reassuring. “Some of what people are saying in this mosque controversy is very similar to what German media was saying about Jews in the 1920s and 1930s,” Imam Abdullah Antepli, Muslim chaplain at Duke University, told the New York Times. Yes, we all recall the Jewish suicide bombers of that period, as we recall the Jewish yells for holy war, the Jewish demands for the veiling of women and the stoning of homosexuals, and the Jewish burning of newspapers that published cartoons they did not like. What is needed from the supporters of this very confident faith is more self-criticism and less self-pity and self-righteousness.


Religion has run out of justifications. Thanks to the telescope and the microscope, it no longer offers an explanation of anything important. Where once it used to be able, by its total command of a worldview, to prevent the emergence of rivals, it can now only impede and —or try to turn back—the measurable advances that we have made.

Sometimes, true, it will artfully concede them. But this is to offer itself the choice between irrelevance and obstruction, impotence or outright reaction, and, given this choice, it is programmed to select the worse of the two.

Meanwhile, confronted with undreamed-of vistas inside our own evolving cortex, in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and in proteins and acids which constitute our nature, religion offers either annihilation in the name of god, or else the false promise that if we take a knife to our foreskins, or pray in the right direction, or ingest pieces of wafer, we shall be “saved.”



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The curse of "progressive" feminism and Feminists Love Islamists vids
 
and another vid on multi-culturalism

Oh, this is the most stupid piece of crap that I've seen in a while. And mind you, I've seen a lot of crap.

First of all, it misrepresents just about everything. For example, most people don't mean by multiculturalism that people from different cultures shouldn't respect the values and laws of the country they reside in.

Second, it says for example: "If someone escapes their hellhole of a country and comes to your country to enjoy it's freedoms, they shouldn't be forced to learn and accept the principles and customs on which those freedoms stand, but should insteadbe allowed to retaing the charming native language, religion and manners that turned their country into a hellhole in the first place".

On the outside it doesn't look like that bad statement, if you agree with it already, or have been introduced to the statement with the idea that foreign habits equal to crime, as in this video. However, the video says for example that foreign languages have turned other countries into hellholes. The same with religion and manners. So, it's really explicit bigotry disguised as an argument.

That's pretty common neo/quasi-nazi tactic: you say something that's partly defensible, like that foreign religions have turned other countries into hellholes. When someone objects, you defend the part that is defensible and demand that what you said should be taken to mean only that. After the nazi have had a lengthy debate according to those lines, he returns to his original formulation: that the foreign religions and manners turn countries into hellholes.

Third, the guys continuoous ironic/sarcastic grinning is an underestimation of any person's intelligence.

I'm sure there are tons of videos about multiculturalism in the net. Why do you choose to post the absolute most stupid one there is? Don't you really have any criteria on the quality? "Oh look, this guy has an opinion on a subject, I'd better copy paste it everywhere!"

Oh, look, here are some articles on multiculturalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/western-europe/failure-multiculturalism
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Multiculturalism
http://www.iep.utm.edu/multicul/
http://www.unesco.org/most/pp4.htm
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/multiculturalism
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/multiculturalism/citizenship.asp
https://www.dss.gov.au/our-responsi...ticultural-australia/what-is-multiculturalism

(There's about 7 200 000 google hits, so I'll get back into copy pasting these later, stay tuned).
 

This is an incredibly frightening video. And stuff like this is happening all across Western Europe. It's shocking enough that groups like this are aggressively demonstrating for sharia and Muslim superiority while promoting hatred of and violence towards non-Muslims. But that there are utter morons among the non-Muslim natives who actually support and march with the Islamists is just completely insane.

Such scenes as in the video are reminiscient of Germany in the early 1930s, when another ideology inspired its adherents to take to the streets and spread their views of totalitarianism and hate. The Nazis of back then are the Islamists of today. This is all deeply worrying. Europe must finally wake up.
 
Some of the stuff you can find online on facebook and the blogs this week, the first video above, while I hope it is not true
and quite frankly, it's all anyone really needs to see.

If it isn't true then why would anyone need to see it at all? Surely the veracity of it is the primary consideration?

And... could you pleeeeeeeeeeeeease stop spamming pretty much every thread you post in with links and youtube videos? You come across as more RSS feed than human most of the time...
 
The left movement across America and acorss Europe and the Western world is in a state of flux, ever changing, sometimes for better and other times its for the worse.
The Republicans also have changes you only need look at a debate between Trump, Cruz, Rand Paul and the father Ron Paul and Carson to know the Republican party can stand for many things and not just the traditional party that once helped freed the slaves back during the times of Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant, parties go through different people, different transformations and different changes in policy over time.


The label "Regressive" was a creation and propagation of the liberal left, some say you can best see it with Chomsky and Michael Moore, others will say if you know who the Young Turks are, they are the best example of what the thinkers of the YouTube, new, liberal left are calling "Regressive." some others will blame radical feminists and how the man hating feminist will blame ALL MEN and the issue of GUN CONTROL for the violence at San Bernardino, while in Sweden and Germany radical women who hate men blame all males for the assualts and rapes commited by illegal muslim immigrants. The regressive left is a term coined by anti-Islamist activist Maajid Nawaz, himself a former islamist and he coined the regressive leftists label to describe a segment of the left which tolerates and even promotes backward pirncipals and reactionary attitudes in the name of multi-culturalism and tolerance. Nawaz originally used it to refer to tolerance of radical Islamists, but the term has been extended to encompass any leftist position that appears contradictory to progressive liberal values and freedom loving values.....maybe the entire left movement is eating itself?? Some others will say the Young Turks are, they are the best example of what the thinkers of the YouTube, new, liberal left or the Classical Liberals are calling "Regressive."
and the crazy online partiotic atheist kangaroo personalities who beat them down.

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Maher is an interesting person on his comical political talk shows he has brought up the issue he’s gotten plenty of flak on: Islam. Bill Maher has mocked the idea that it’s a “protected species” while Dawkins said it’s ridiculous to decry criticism of a religion as racist
If you have watched Nick Cohen or Maher or Ayaan Hirsi Ali or David Rubin regarding the ‘Regressive Left’ where you’ll find that those who are closer to center or on the centre left hold positions that, if viewed in any other light, would be what George Bush would refer to as “the soft bigotry of low expectations” rather than actually being the behaviour of someone who was ‘tolerant’ and ‘enlightened’

The USSR was supposed to have collapsed but Are the Left's monsters and little goblins truly dead? Socialism might have been both the antidote to and the complement of capitalism and globalization. Indeed the lefts and the Greenies and Left Enviornmental parties they can denounce consumer culture as the realm of feckless hedonism or the cause of environmental catastrophe but does the left still have problems. For example Communism, the revolutionary expression of Marxism, was the official ideology of states that was supported by roughly 40% of the world’s population, today it seems the regressive left also are happy to start censoring freedom of speech. Socialism and Marxism may be dead almost everywhere across the globe, but its message lives on in 'liberal’ circles on the modern centre-left in western Europe, in Canada the United States and even negatively influences in India, Argentina, Brazil and Australia. Large masses of people - leftists and 'progressive' socialists - still believe all religions are intrinsically good, possibly equal and contain a great deal of wisdom yet for some reason a number of US leftists seem to have an almost irrational hatred of Christians. The party slogan, narrative and mantra is so much so that such wisdom from the great social democratic party is unquestionable, yet with all the radicals and bombings maybe the modern world just doesn’t understand religion it seems.


Did the old liberals of Europe get hijacked by communists and punk rockers, people who simply spoke against Thatcher and her great economic and cultural revolution but never beat the Baroness at her game?
Neither Marx nor Lenin or the Euro socialists ever came up with blueprints for an emancipated society in hand. Rather, Lenin, following Marx, advocated pursuing the forms of the struggle for socialism that had emerged historically in and through the development of the workers’ movement itself which leads to Communism which eventually fails and some strange social political parties across Europe.


Is there any one event that can define the modern "Regressive Left" within the US Democratic party, how about when BLM protestors stormed the stage and took the microphone from Bernie Sanders
or maybe the "Regressives" can be defined by Hillary's ill-Liberal policy and her 'We came, we saw, he died' comment in regards to Libya
which would see a country wrecked by civil war, the rise of terror groups and later open the flood gates for illegal islamic immigrantion into Italy, Europe and the West, or the disaster of support for the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East
and the reactions against this

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The radical left won't stop there, inside their ranks are anarchists who want open borders. The modern Left also resorts to cultural relativism and moral relativism when confronted with the idea that certain beliefs espoused by Islamists may not be compatible with modern society. 'Their culture is different, you can’t judge it by western standards’ is the kind of thing we hear, don't be racists, don't be against multi-culturalism they say just moments before Islamists do their shootings in the USA and plant their latest bombs across Europe. How about the censorship of posts online or how Sweden wanted to cover up the crimes commited by muslim migrants?


In the past 8 years in the United States of America and in Sweden and in parts of Europe for the last 20 to 25 years, the cumulative results of neo-leftist policies, the policies of really existing capitalism, have produced a social regression whose effects on class consciousness have been profound. Remember the left not always has been good and sometimes history has been whitewashed and re-written, to use an extreme historical example, almost everyone now believes the Nazis were far right, but Hitler always referred to his movement as socialist, and in The Reichstag he was sometimes backed by the left. “We are socialists,” he said. “We are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak.” Goebbels said....and back then if you criticized the rise of the German occult and German fascism you were called Germano-phobic I imagine. Back in the 19th century, we had social commentators and whole libraries have grown up making the claim that capitalism and Western democracy has had its day. Proletarian internationalism is summed up in the slogan, "Workers of all countries, unite!", the last line of The Communist Manifesto.

Five cases of Left betrayal now exist outside America, serving to betray their own people and serve to highlight this are Trudeau ready to flood Canada with Immigrants, the French Socialist block of the regressive Swede's and President Francois Hollande governing in the second leading power in Europe , the left movement in Greece elected on January 25, 2015, and a stagnant government against ‘fiscal austerity’, and in Britain you have Jeremy Corbyn a new 'Labour' party who took part in gatherings around the Finsbury Park jihad mosque, know for its Al Qaeda linked operations and infamous after hosting convicted shoe-bomber came from there, Corbyn is a white guilt islamo-apologist self-hating English man and in the Latino region of Earth we got the Workers Parties of South America, who spend more time censoring, throwing people in jail rather than dealing with ciminality and governing in the larger nations of Latin American.


Go online to the blogs, the youtube vids and the websites to see how the conflict gets fought by the thinkers of the new liberal left or old school classicals against the Regressive left, these two will give you a good introduction. At the end of the 20th century, the global justice movement represented an element of rupture in the field of ideas. We saw huge corporations and huge world wide government treaties and so in reaction with enviornmentialists and occupy wall st and anti-war groups we aslo saw the appearance of a new form of internationalism. The self-destruction of the new Democratic Left is an unanticipated victory for those who want to reform the Democratic party or those who want to break away and support Libertarians, Independents, Partiotic Nationalists and a US Constitutional party. :p :cool: :goodjob:
 
Well I see you really took my plea on board there.
 
You can plea all you want, I might listen a bit, read, but from you maybe I rarely take anything onboard

Is there some sort of link to a story about what the OP is actually about, or do I really have to watch 10 minutes of shaky camera phone footage with poor audio to try and work out what the hell the actual issue was?

Manfred Belheim said:
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18

Manfred Belheim said:
I'd definitely be behind #AllLivesMatter, or even #JesusChristStopKillingUs.

Manfred Belheim said:
In regards to the London lootings, burnings, attacks, riots

You have to understand that Black Youths are disproportionately stopped and searched (along with Asians as well) by the police
When you speak of 'Asian' here I assume you mean BBC-speak for Pakistani or Middle Eastern and not describe people from S.Korea, China, Japan.

You might plea
I may refuse to take it onboard

now you may see why

Have fun with the Bernie Sanders Blacklivesmatter vid
 
All you're saying is "validate me." It's why you write so much and yet somehow say so little.
 
Ooops my apologies Hygro, I forgot you guys think the dustbowl illegal immigrant Left Coast and golden turd state of California is still relevent to todays world of politics don't you? Who did you have last election? A Midget? A Governator? An Illegal? Ms Junkie Rehab running for election? the Huffington idiot? Larry Smut-Peddler? Donald Duck? A pornstar run for election? Do tell...Interesting how California's elite Would Make All Sex Rape Without Prior Debates and Written Consent...Man a Woman, Boys and Girls needed a long discussion or a note was it? Otherwise it all gets classed as 'sexual violence' the new CA Bill demanded Verbal debates or Written Consent for Sex on College Campuses?? SB 967 was amended and got passed by a vote of 27-9 making your mom's impregnation, fertilization, your creation and birth of Hygro an act of good old Rape and an act of Illegality? Is this the future California is offering our planet?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPob5-_EAmc
 
You can plea all you want, I might listen a bit, read, but from you maybe I rarely take anything onboard

When you speak of 'Asian' here I assume you mean BBC-speak for Pakistani or Middle Eastern and not describe people from S.Korea, China, Japan.

You might plea
I may refuse to take it onboard

now you may see why

Have fun with the Bernie Sanders Blacklivesmatter vid

Can you explain why you're quoting a bunch of random things I said in other threads, going back literally years, and how it's at all relevant?

And when I say "Asian" I mean what British people mean when they say Asian, since I'm British. It has nothing to do with the BBC.

Edit: Oh, it appears you were quoting Useless and passing it off as a quote from me anyway. I thought it didn't really sound very much like me.
 
Ooops my apologies Hygro, I forgot you guys think the dustbowl illegal immigrant Left Coast and golden turd state of California is still relevent to todays world of politics don't you? Who did you have last election? A Midget? A Governator? An Illegal? Ms Junkie Rehab running for election? the Huffington idiot? Larry Smut-Peddler? Donald Duck? A pornstar run for election? Do tell...Interesting how California's elite Would Make All Sex Rape Without Prior Debates and Written Consent...Man a Woman, Boys and Girls needed a long discussion or a note was it? Otherwise it all gets classed as 'sexual violence' the new CA Bill demanded Verbal debates or Written Consent for Sex on College Campuses?? SB 967 was amended and got passed by a vote of 27-9 making your mom's impregnation, fertilization, your creation and birth of Hygro an act of good old Rape and an act of Illegality? Is this the future California is offering our planet?
Chinese level growth rates since 2009.
 
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