the only way to succeed is to hope either of the two attacks someone else. But that's a coin flip
@ST: Bribe NW neighbor to attack E, even if he doesn't move any troops, you get a positive fought in the same war modifier. And E never makes peace, so you can take you time to prepare army until you're ready to fight NW.
I wanted to. Apparently they haven't met yet
beetle said:
From what I can tell from the write-ups -- Yes, worker steal from NW neighbor is what the difference for most of of the games. I wish I had done that, but I went the other direction.
I paid NW to attack SE (under-dressed) and E, and denounced, and was immediately offered a DoF by E. All of this happened before T45, which is when ST had a double DoW.
I had a really strong start and was able to settle a city in NW's face, which obviously riles him, but gave me a defensive edge even had he attacked. NW is only a problem pre-CB. His mounted units are nothing when they don't move and shoot, and his other UU are just pointless against a human. The E neighbour can be a problem, but you should be swimming in horses so give him 1 for free when you've improved them and he won't attack, even before you bribe NW to DoW him.
As for the worker steals, not necessary. I didn't want to provoke NW before I was ready to deal with him, but what I did do was put all my troops that weren't otherwise engaged between my borders and his, and bribe him as soon as he'd take one. It's not like he really wants to specifically kill you.
I maintain that not only is this map not impossible or related to a coin flip, but that it's the easiest DCL map to do a CB rush on, by far. I think, ST, you've had stinking luck in having played a game where these guys hadn't met, and/or maybe forgot the early game diplomacy necessary to get the right dynamics between the neighbours, across your game(s).
I wanted to know what is the tech path for Honor-C-A, is it
Luxtech -> Philosophy -> Construction -> Currency -> Machinery -> Education -> Banking -> Oxford dynamite -> Industrialization for 3x factory autocracy
That's pretty much classic. Occasionally you will want to Oxford Industrialisation to get happiness or gold out of Autocracy, either if you're doing quite well with XBs and Cannons and don't need to rush into Artillery, or if you know that Artillery itself won't be enough.
Also, I've also delayed Construction beyond Education so my Archers were super promoted, but this depends on what level of early war you're in. Limited war against a weak neighbour like Morocco means that Archers and Horsemen can hold their own against Spears, but the moment you're facing Pikes you obviously have to make peace or hit Construction.
Or do you take construction before philosophy? Assuming not CB rush, NC is better for science.
Education before Machinery? Not sure if delaying XB is a good idea.
If you're going to take Construction before Philosophy, 3-city Liberty NC is strictly better. Honor is better for delayed conquest.