The Duke List

[Cheetah]

Just remembered, I don't think we have discussed this one.

I assume everybody knows about this?

If not, here's the short summary:
Karen F. Owen, a female student at Duke University had sex with several athletes from Duke. Then she made a powerpoint comparing the men to each other (including pictures of the men, descriptions of how they performed in bed and noting their penis sizes), and then sent it to a few of her friends. She claims it's just a small joke, but as with all other things concerning sex, this soon went viral and has been all over the Internet already.

Owen on the left.

Deadspin has the full powerpoint: http://deadspin.com/5652280/the-full-duke-university-[fill in the missing word here and combine the url's]-list-thesis-from-a-former-female-student/gallery/

Yahoo news had a story recently about how this may not represent campus reality: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101015/ap_on_re_us/us_that_duke_list

What Morgan found is that Duke students are just as likely to not be having sex or be in a committed relationship as they are to hook up. He presented the research in April at a nonprofit meeting, and it's under review at a journal.

The online survey of about 750 freshmen and 750 seniors (about half of each class) asked students about their sexual activity from mid-August 2009 to just before Thanksgiving 2009. Of the one-third who said they had hooked up, only a third of that group had had sex. For the rest, "it was what my generation called making out," Morgan said.

"All the attention is on hookups at Duke," he says. "But Duke is a very diverse campus, and there are large portions of the student body who are not participating. Over half the Duke freshman class before Thanksgiving were still virgins. The notion that this is the hedonistic center of the world just doesn't jive with the facts."

On campus, reaction has been mixed to Owen's presentation, in which she named her partners and included photos, then judged them by their attractiveness, creativity and other assets. They got bonus points for having Australian accents or being professional surfers and demerits for being rude — or Canadian.

Owen isn't "a crazy, promiscuous slut," says Martin DeWitt, 21, a Duke senior. "She's like a lot of college students. She, in many ways, is a normal upper-middle-class white female at a college, going to clubs with friends, mixing with the guys and going home with a guy whether you know him or not, then never talking to him again."

Seems a bit non-conclusive to me...

Thoughts?
What do you think of Owen's list and the fact that she published it?
Is it common to hook up with all and everyone at campuses? Or is this simply a deviation from the rule?
Anything else?

Personally, I find it in very bad taste to creating a such a list and publishing it. One thing is to make a list. I believe everyone has done that, even if it is only in our heads. But to make it public? That is simply wrong.

As to whether this is common... I was never an athlete at a US college, so I can't really tell...

 

[downtown]

She didn't publish it....Deadspin did. She regretted it.

Course, now she's getting a book deal, so I'd say she worked out okay.

 

[bestrfcplayer]

I read this in the paper.... It's really ticking me off with all those stories about bullying and crap.

Why don't people act their age anymore

 

[.Shane.]

The Law of Unintended Consequences....

Stupid idea is going to pay off.

As to being common? Clearly you are not familiar w/ the world of athletics, esp. high performing athletes.

 

[Zelig]

I'm sleeping with male athletes in order to land a similar book deal.

 

[Elrohir]

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. I have some (But not a ton) for the guys involved. Mostly, I just think the whole situation is bizarre and weird.

 

[downtown]

I have lots of empathy for the dudes! I'm making every girl I hook up with from now on sign a non-disclosure agreement.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Duke's my team.

Over half the Duke freshman class before Thanksgiving were still virgins.

And damn, we have class too. Suck on that, NC State and Carolina!

 

[bhsup]

I have zero empathy for the guys. This is one reason why you shouldn't have sex before marriage. Find your future forever gal and knock yourself out sex-wise once you're married. If you choose to diddle before then, learn to live with the consequences, be it a baby you must be responsible for or a sex book with pics of you in it for your fiance to see.

 

[Zelig]

I have zero empathy for the guys. This is one reason why you shouldn't have sex before marriage. Find your future forever gal and knock yourself out sex-wise once you're married. If you choose to diddle before then, learn to live with the consequences, be it a baby you must be responsible for or a sex book with pics of you in it for your fiance to see.

Must I be responsible for sex books with pics of me that my wife publishes?

 

[bhsup]

Control your woman, Zelig!

 

[Karalysia]

Meh they got some sex out of the deal. Why are they whining? I find what she did to be very empowering for women.

 

[Zelig]

Control your woman, Zelig!

It's more fun when they control me.

 

[Luckymoose]

You'd be surprised how many of these types roam campuses. It's not hard to get a dozen a year by being mildly social.

 

[Mango Elephant]

I have zero empathy for the guys. This is one reason why you shouldn't have sex before marriage. Find your future forever gal and knock yourself out sex-wise once you're married. If you choose to diddle before then, learn to live with the consequences, be it a baby you must be responsible for or a sex book with pics of you in it for your fiance to see.

Considering I can't marry I suppose I can screw as many people as I want.

 

[LightFang]

I have lots of empathy for the dudes! I'm making every girl I hook up with from now on sign a non-disclosure agreement.

If your girlfriend had signed one of those, though, you wouldn't be able to write about her in your book.

 

[Disgustipated]

Meh they got some sex out of the deal. Why are they whining? I find what she did to be very empowering for women.

yup they got laid, they got more tang than I got, so I won't feel sorry for them. Although it would suck if you are near the bottom of the list.

 

[downtown]

If your girlfriend had signed one of those, though, you wouldn't be able to write about her in your book.

My book isn't a DT **** book. That would be a pretty boring book.

 

[warpus]

Duke is America's version of UWO? (Canada's party/get laid here school)

 

[Disgustipated]

they have a good basketball team.