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Thos the gods want to destroy, they first drive mad. You don't need gods for that, you have your own governments. And as you elected them, it couldn't happen to more suitable people.
 
We just detected the Russian warship Aleksandr Shabalin in hiding with its transponder turned off, just outside Southern Danish territorial waters. Or I should say, the media and public just got this information.

Danish authorities are being criticized atm for not having a proportional response that can deal with this threat. It's very entertaining to watch the news here today.
We should follow Turkish teachings on how to deal with Russian air incursions!
I hope the EU army gets approved ASAP!
 

Macron should step down early and call presidential vote, says his first PM​

Emmanuel Macron should name a prime minister to push through a budget and then call early presidential elections to solve France's political crisis, his first prime minister has said.

Édouard Philippe's comments come after France's third prime minister in a year, Sébastien Lecornu, resigned on Monday after his bid to form a government fell apart.

Macron has asked him to make a last-ditch plan for stability by the end of Wednesday - but support for the French president appears to be waning even among his allies.

Philippe, who was prime minister from 2017-20 and now leads the centrist Horizons party, said he was "not in favour of his immediate and abrupt resignation", but that it was up to the president to live up to his mandate.

Meanwhile, Gabriel Attal - who leads Macron's Renaissance party and was prime minister for six months in 2024 - went on national TV on Monday night to say he "no longer understands the decisions made by the president of the republic".

The president had tried to re-establish control three times in the past year, said Attal, and it was now time to share power with other parties: "I think we should try something else."

Until now, pressure on the 47-year-old French president to resign has come largely from his political opponents on the more radical left and hard right.

The public interventions from his allies indicate just how serious the political crisis has become.

Macron, who has been in office since 2017, was captured on video walking alone by the River Seine in Paris on Monday, followed by his bodyguards, as the latest crisis swirled around his presidency.

His entourage indicated that he would "take responsibility" if Lecornu's last-ditch talks failed, without specifiying that that would mean.

Macron's centrist bloc lost its parliamentary majority after he called a snap parliamentary election in response to a defeat in last year's European Parliament vote.

Since then, he has struggled to push through an annual budget to bring down the country's soaring public debt. France's budget deficit is projected to hit 5.4% of economic output (GDP) this year.

Last month, François Bayrou resigned after losing a confidence vote in the French parliament when he tried to push through swingeing budget cuts. Now Lecornu, his successor, has resigned after only 26 days in the job, blaming "partisan appetites" among coalition parties.

Lecornu began talks with political leaders from the centre ground on Tuesday morning, in an attempt to find a way out of the impasse. Philippe said he would take part in the talks, although Bruno Retailleau, from the right-wing Republicans, said he would only meet Lecornu one-to-one.

"It's clear we're today in the middle of a political crisis that dismays and worries our fellow citizens," Philippe told RTL radio. "This political crisis is bringing the state into decline... the authority and continuity of the state aren't being respected."

Philippe, whose Horizons party has been part of Macron's government throughout his second presidential term, rejected calls from political opponents for the president's immediate resignation - but said it was up to Macron himself to find a solution.

"[Immediate resignation] would have a terrible impact and would prevent a presidential election taking place under good conditions," he told RTL on Tuesday.

However, he argued Macron should avert the crisis by naming a prime minister who could put through a budget, guarantee the continued workings of the state, and leave in an "orderly manner".

"When you're head of state, you don't use the institutions, you serve them - and he should serve the institutions by finding a solution to this political crisis."

Macron's poll ratings have nose-dived in recent months and one survey of 1,000 French people conducted for newspaper Le Figaro suggested that 53% of them thought he should stand down.

Meanwhile, a van burst into flames on the same street as the prime minister's residence on the Rue de Varenne on Tuesday morning, in what commentators suggested was symbolic of the continuing political crisis.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0rjn3l8w2o
 
We've only prosecuted former presidents who have done illegal things. Chirac did much worse than what he was prosecuted for but the proofs had been successfully buried, and Sarkozy has now been convicted in the first of many trials for his many illegal actions. Hollande for example, although he wasn't a good president, hasn't been prosecuted because he hasn't done anything illegal (as far as we know).

Macron has 3 choices now : naming a PM from the center left, who might have a majority with the left and the centrists (I don't think he'll do that, and I don't think it would work) or call for a new parliamentary election (it would probably not solve anything) or resign.
 
We've only prosecuted former presidents who have done illegal things. Chirac did much worse than what he was prosecuted for but the proofs had been successfully buried, and Sarkozy has now been convicted in the first of many trials for his many illegal actions. Hollande for example, although he wasn't a good president, hasn't been prosecuted because he hasn't done anything illegal (as far as we know).

Macron has 3 choices now : naming a PM from the center left, who might have a majority with the left and the centrists (I don't think he'll do that, and I don't think it would work) or call for a new parliamentary election (it would probably not solve anything) or resign.
I just read an extensive article summing up the problem, "Bruno Le Maire did it!", and I don't feel Macron resigning will solve anything. If the president wants to serve the French he has to fix the problem now! Le Cornu said that mps from all parties are behaving as if their party has the majority so negotiations end up nowhere because everyone wants to apply their program in full...this mindset has to change...but most likely it won't!
 
The problem is that we have 3 very different blocs in french politics, and due to their opposite views on how to run things they can't really work together. So we're stuck in a situation where no one can get a majority. The left offered last year to govern with the consent of the center, saying they would be willing to water down some of their proposals, but Macron refused to even consider it. So now we have no possible majority in parliament. The only way to solve it is for a new composition of parliament with an actual majority, but that probably won't happen by just calling for new parliamentary elections (the composition of parliament would likely stay the same). IMO the only way we can solve this is by a presidential election that would settle things decisively, followed by parliamentary elections where the new president's side would likely win a lot of seats due to a general "we've elected him so now we have to let him govern" sentiment.
 
Macron resigning may very well solve the issue of who governs in France. Certanly there can be only one president, it would force cleared politicla alignments in campaign. But it's completely counter his personality, extreme narcisism, to resign. I'm not seeing it happen.

New elections for the assembly may produce a larger FN group but not likely a majority. However, more unexpected things have happened.

@AdrienIer What I am curious about is whether anti-FN elections between the other rival parties are feasible at all in the next election. And if they are, wether they can backfire "unexpectedly". Certainly it would be impossible to do suck alliances with the macronites but they're bound to be wiped out anyway, already disbanding. Can the republicans, socialists, etc get away to telling their voters to vote for teh adversay in order to keep FN out of power? Or will this be seen as too cynical by too many people this time? So many that the FN can get an outright win?

It's not my country so it's a bit amusing to consider what president Macron would try with a FN near majority. Try to pull an Hindenburg? "They are my new pals so long as they respect me?" But I can't see anyone respecting Macron...

I am also curious about what the FN could do it it gets into government. They have a lack of politicans with experience. But both France and Italy are being screwed by the germans. I have a feeling it would make a very different "Europe", not just another meek Meloni.
 
@innonimatu Last time what happened was that for the second round of the election the centrists and the left agreed to support each other against the RN when applicable (except in 2 or 3 places where the centrists stayed in the second round and offered the far right a free seat), and they both decided to support the right against the far right when applicable (the right did not reciprocate with the left in general, but some candidates decided to do it anyway). This time we don't know if the left will be unified or not (the center left socialists are angry with the more radical LFI for speaking out against Israel way too early), and more importantly the right is sending strong signals about supporting the far right when an alliance between them is possible and after that governing with them.

I think the right will be neutral in Center vs RN duels and will support the RN against the left, and the left will support the center against the right and far right (yes it sucks as a leftist to vote for a macronist candidate but if it's that or the far right many will show up to vote anyway).

But all this is very uncertain, elections like the legislative election in France (basically 577 mini presidential elections on the local level) are super hard to anticipate. Last time it didn't go like the pollsters anticipated at all !

Macron wanted to let the RN govern last year, and was surprised at the huge turnout against the far right both by electors and major centrist party officials (Attal single handedly organized the second round mutual support with the left and the right against the RN). He had even said he'd name Bardella PM even if they didn't get a majority in parliament. His reasoning being that the RN would be stuck with a crappy political situation, would screw up the next 2.5 years and be easier to defeat in the next presidential election. I assume he's still in the same mindset : his main goal is for his neo liberal ecomic policies to remain in place, and Bardella leans that way (far more than Le Pen whose economic policies aren't clear).
 
I am not convinced Marcon wants Bardella to govern, despite him despising France and the french people so much. If Macron did, he could have done more to push that result in the last election. But that would mean risk losing some control, which he won't have.

If the argument that he wanted to hand government to Bardella goes that it was meant to put them in a crappy political situation that would screw the FN/RN in the next election, then no argument can be made that Macron sees Bardella as a keeper of neo-liberal policies. Were the RN government to embrace those policies in government and march on to political defeat, those policies would be defeated. Very much counter what Marcon most certainly wishes. Macron is more direct: we wants to have neo-liberal politices imposed by him and puppets controlled only by him. He even started with a teenage-minded PM. And he really doidn't anticipate the scale of defeat he'd have when he called elections.

I think Macron is simply the most politically incompetent political leader of France since... Napoleon? Macron does not know how to do coalitions, how to lose graciously, how to even so much as negotiate. He fancies himself emperor, who must have his way and no other.
He gets to spend two more years trying that, there's no haste yet on enacting a farewell revenge on the french people for not following him. No one can force him rto call an electipon, so long as he can find someone willing to play-act as PM, and it apepars he has one willing to play it again and again, he can carry on.
 
I mostly agree about the second part, but the part about putting Bardella as PM to screw him over is because the far right currently thrives because of the uncertainty over their principles. They say they'll be tough on immigration but they also don't say exactly how, and try to look like they're not complete lunatics about it : if you're a rabid racist you vote for them hoping for racist policies, and if you're only a mild racist you can tell yourself that they won't be as stupid as Trump about it. On the economy they've been so vague that many poor people think Le Pen intends to use the money gained from reducing immigration (no serious study says it would be beneficial for the state's finance but they don't care) to help the working class and french struggling people. But the rich don't want any policies doing that, they want lower taxes for rich people and companies : Bardella is telling them that it's what he plans to do. They're playing all sides (at least for people who are racist or racist-compatible), and them having to govern for 2 years would mean disapointing one group or another : their base support would probably be halved.

Of course the damage of 2 years of far right policies would be immense, and there's a huge risk of them doing a takeover of all media (like in Hungary) to throw so much propaganda at the population that they won't get the backlast from their policies. But Macron betting on them governing to the right was probably right, they've proven last year that their promises on taking down Macron's retirement age reform is not actually what they plan to do (when it became a possibility for them to win the elections they started talking about how the finances might not be in a good enough state to do it, and then when it looked like they wouldn't win the elections they wanted to take down the retirement age reform again).
 
Of course the damage of 2 years of far right policies would be immense, and there's a huge risk of them doing a takeover of all media (like in Hungary) to throw so much propaganda at the population that they won't get the backlast from their policies. But Macron betting on them governing to the right
No one believes they can take over the French media like they did the English (language), do they ?

La pensée unique ? Every Frenchman is too full of himself to even consider to be locked into such a false dichotomy.

Only works for political imbeciles.
 
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Yes but wicked people dare everything. That's how you recognize them.
So of course someone believes he can take over... (insert your preferred institution)
 
You are making the questions and answers so, have your point :smug:
I agree individualism is a disease.
But wouldn't you agree there's a cure to any disease?
What would you recommend as a cure in this particular issue?
 
Well I disagree with Adrien above that FN could do immense damage (to France) if they were to gain power for a year or two.

Not like Trump in the US anyway, likely it would be more like Meloni in Italy, hardly a difference:

There is no disease involved. 😊
 
Well I'm glad you are not alarmed by those symptoms.

So Europe has a mild "soft far right" eruption but it's ok because America is having it worse. I see.
 
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