the fall of America and the rise of ....

[Ahovking]

Ok lets start of by showing why America is dieing....well apairt from your Growing Debt that if you even gone to shool is the fastest way of killing A Superpower, ok

first up

Human Development Index

is a composite statistic used as an index to rank countries by level of "human development" and separate developed, developing, and underdeveloped countries.

1. Norway 0.971 (▲ 1)
2. Australia 0.970 (▲ 2)
3. Iceland 0.969 (▼ 2)
4. Canada 0.966 (▼ 1)
5. Ireland 0.965 (&#9644
6. Netherlands 0.964 (&#9644
7. Sweden 0.963 (&#9644
8. France 0.961 (▲ 3)
9. Switzerland 0.960 (&#9644
10. Japan 0.960 (&#9644
11. Luxembourg 0.960 (▼ 3)
12. Finland 0.959 (▲ 1)
13. United States 0.956 (▼ 1)

The Usa is not evern in the top 10 superpower

second up

Standard of living

As at 31 December 2009 this showed 1 France, 2 Australia, 3 Switzerland, 4 Germany, 5 New Zealand, 6 Luxembourg, 7 USA, 8 Belgium, 9 Canada, 10 Italy, 25 UK, 47 Israel, 194 Somalia.

...well done use your in the top 10

third up

life expectancy

Nation
1 Japan 82.6 79.0 86.1
2 Hong Kong 82.2 79.4 85.1
3 Iceland 81.8 80.2 83.3
4 Switzerland 81.7 79.0 84.2
5 Australia 81.2 78.9 83.6
6 Spain 80.9 77.7 84.2
7 Sweden 80.9 78.7 83.0
8 Israel 80.7 78.5 82.8
9 Macau 80.7 78.5 82.8
10 France 80.7 77.1 84.1
11 Canada 80.7 78.3 82.9
12 Italy 80.5 77.5 83.5
13 New Zealand 80.2 78.2 82.2
14 Norway 80.2 77.8 82.5
15 Singapore 80.0 78.0 81.9

not in the top 15

now in this 3 points which took me about 5 min getting shows the Us not even in the top 5 and falling one of the good not great but good example of a nation out doing the Us is Australia

Australia did not fall into a technical recession during the late 2000s and financial downturn that affected most Western countries. Australia also did not fall into a recession in 2008. Australia Ranked third in the Index of Economic Freedom (2010), Australia's per capita GDP is slightly higher than that of the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, and France. and If you look up back to the 3 points Australia is in all top 5 betting the Us in all 3 points

i think the us can survive for another 50-80 years before falling.

 

[Dachs]

The Australian is lecturing the Americans about sustainability.

I would laugh, but I feel too sorry for you. Instead I'll just shake my head sadly.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

The US isn't going to fall. It probably won't be the unquestioned number one super power, but be the one of several powerful global players (China, India, EU (if they can stay together)). Debt issues are not confined to the US and are shaking other Western nations significantly more than the US (for now).

 

[Theige]

The U.S. isn't going to "fall" anywhere.

There isn't yet a credible challenge to our military, at all.

Economically we just weathered the worst disaster since 1929, and we seem to be coming out the other side just fine.

 

[Icaria909]

Man, the US isn't going to fall.

First off, the american debt may be the largest in the world, but it doesn't take up a signficant proportion of our GDP ( unlike other countries who have a smaller debt, but a debt that is 200% of their GDP). That's not to say that our spending habits are sustainable, but it's not as damning as you make it appear.

2.) America prides itself on its very conservative capitalism. Because of this, there are many of those people with less money who cannot afford the medical care or education to have a "higher standard of living and life expectancy." The fact that america doesn't have the highest standard of living is because of ideology, not a declining economy.

3.) America's support of globalization, capitalism, and democracy has reduced its subjective level of power in the world. While america made up 50% of world production in World War II, america's world production rate today is around 13%. That's because america trade relations with Europe and Japan, the economic stimulus packages handed out to other countries (like the marshal plan in Germany), and the amount of Direct Foreign Investment americans have poured into Asia and Latin America, greatly boosting foreign economies in comparison to its own. If you help everyone else catch up, your not going to stay in first place.

Will America be the only superpower forever? Clearly not; other nations have the potential to be on par with the USA or out pace it. But that will take decades, if not centuries. And just as Russia may have lost it's superpower status after the dissolution of the USSR but retained in important role in Europe and Asia, America will continue to be a powerful force in the world in the future, and will never fully relinquish its powerful diplomatic, economic, or military status.

 

[plarq]

Marginal competition

 

[Integral]

Real output per capita
1 Qatar 83,841
2 Luxembourg 78,395
3 Norway 52,561
4 Singapore 50,523
5 Brunei 49,110
6 United States 46,381
7 Switzerland 43,007
— Hong Kong 42,748
8 Netherlands 39,938
9 Ireland 39,468
10 Australia 38,911

...the first country on the list that isn't oil-driven or incredibly small.
By way of comparison, the EU barely breaks the top 30 at $32,700 per capita.

Military responsiveness
US: can put 180,000 people with materiel on the other side of the planet in a matter of weeks.
Everyone else: can't.

USA#1

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HDI is pretty irrelevant; it's an index with virtually arbitrary weights and suffers from top-censoring. In life expectancy, the rank-ordering matters *far* less than the raw deviation from top. I have no idea what your 'standard of living' index is but it clearly also falls into the same troubles.

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This is not to say that the US will not experience a relative decline in power. By 2015 or 2020, the US will need to take serious heed of China and India as economic powers, assuming that they keep increasing their standards of living at anything like their recent rates. The EU will be judged on how it handles the Greek crisis; any projections there would be mere speculation until that little wrinkle is ironed out.

 

[Lord Baal]

The Australian is lecturing the Americans about sustainability.

I would laugh, but I feel too sorry for you. Instead I'll just shake my head sadly.

Yeah, this.

 

[Fëanor]

Military responsiveness
US: can put 180,000 people with materiel on the other side of the planet in a matter of weeks.
Everyone else: can't.

And get stuck fighting goat-herders for a decade with little results while getting bankrupted.

 

[Virote_Considon]

ITT: Butthurt Americans* too ashamed to realize a country of 20 million is going to eclipse their hegemony of the world.

*USA#1

 

[Integral]

And get stuck fighting goat-herders for a decade with little results while getting bankrupted.

Limited was isn't exactly the US military's specialty, granted. The important point is force projection. Could the EU dispatch a quarter-million troops to South America or Africa, with even a nine- or twelve-month lag? Could India or China?

I fully grant that once the fighting's over, the US military fails at being a police force. Imagine: trying to use soldiers as policemen has unsavory results. Shocking.

 

[Ahovking]

wow did you guy even read my post

Western influence falling

West acquiesces as Russia wins back ex-Soviet states
By Michael Stott

Vladimir Putin has long bemoaned the fall of the Soviet Union. Now he appears to be having some success in winning parts of it back.

Analysts and diplomats name Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Georgia as former Soviet republics where Russia has succeeded recently in rolling back Western influence.

Belarus, which flirted last year with the West, is tracking back toward Moscow and has agreed, together with Central Asian powerhouse Kazakhstan, to join Moscow in a customs union.

The West, preoccupied with financial crisis and keen to keep Russia as an ally in tackling problems such as nuclear proliferation, has acquiesced.

“It’s extremely important to Putin to reassert Russian influence in the (former Soviet Union),” said Maria Lipman, editor of the Pro et Contra journal at the Moscow Carnegie Center. “Europe can’t compete with that.” In Ukraine, newly elected leader Viktor Yanukovich scrapped plans by his predecessor to pursue NATO membership and did a deal extending the lease of a Russian naval base in Ukraine by 25 years in return for a 30 percent cut in gas prices.

Emboldened by his success, Putin suggested last Friday that Kiev should merge its state gas company Naftogaz — which owns the pipelines taking Russian gas across Ukraine to the West — with Russia’s state-controlled giant Gazprom.

Georgia’s Western allies have largely deserted President Mikheil Saakashvili after his disastrous attempt in 2008 to retake the rebel province of South Ossetia triggered a war with Russia and a crushing military defeat.

Saakashvili has lost public support too over the affair and Georgian opposition politicians, some of whom favor less confrontational policies with Russia, have already traveled to Moscow for exploratory talks with Putin.

In the poor Central Asia republic of Kyrgyzstan, former President Kurmanbek Bakiyev blamed his fall in a popular uprising on Moscow, saying the Kremlin was dissatisfied that he had backtracked on a promise to close a key U.S. military base.

These developments mean all three of the “color” revolutions, in which mass protests swept pro-Western governments to power in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan, have been reversed or seriously compromised.

“The collapse of the “Orange” administrations in all countries except Georgia, which is now isolated, the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the re-booting of relations with the U.S. and the new strategic pact with Ukraine together create ... ideal foreign political conditions,” said Gleb Pavlovsky, a political analyst with close ties to the Kremlin, in comments on his website kreml.org.

Two years ago, the situation looked very different.

Then, former U.S. President George W. Bush was aggressively pursuing the expansion of NATO to include Ukraine and Georgia, U.S. anti-missile systems were planned for Central Europe and the Kremlin howled about Western plots to encircle Russia.

But the election of Obama and the global financial crisis brought different priorities to Washington. Moscow became a key player which needed to be won over to an agenda of global diplomacy rather than a Cold War-era foe to be contained.

Publicly, U.S. officials bridle at the idea that they are acquiescing in a renaissance of Kremlin power.

But privately, those advancing the Obama agenda describe the Bush-era policies of confrontation with Russia as misguided.

Such sentiments chime with a mood on continental Europe which favors pragmatism with Russia, allowing Europeans to exploit lucrative business opportunities unhindered by sour political grapes over human rights or democracy.

“There is a growing feeling in most of Europe that the time is right to seek a new consensus with Russia which is not based on the old adversarial lines of NATO and human rights, but along a common agenda for cooperation,” one European ambassador said.

The rapid changes in the ex-Soviet Union should not have come as a surprise — the Kremlin was never shy about its agenda.

President Dmitry Medvedev, Putin’s junior partner in the ruling “tandem,” told Western journalists and academics in September 2008 that “we will work to extend our contacts with those nations with which we have traditionally been close...If that doesn’t please everyone, what can I do about it?.”

The U.S. Republicans and some eastern European nations are indeed not pleased, but not everyone shares that view.

Proponents of Ukraine’s deals with Moscow say that Russia agreed to gas price discounts worth up to $40 billion to secure the naval base — a gift for Kiev’s struggling finances.

U.S. diplomats hail a new START treaty with Russia cutting nuclear arms, deals to allow supplies for NATO troops in Afghanistan to cross Russia, and signs Moscow may back sanctions against Iran as fruits of the new, better relationship.

“It was gradually realized in the West that provoking Russia does not yield positive results,” the Carnegie Center’s Lipman said. “We can benefit from being on better terms with Russia.”

 

[Ahovking]

im not saying the us cant save its self but look at your debt http://www.usdebtclock.org/ if you can stop printing paper, but if nothing changes is all down hill.

 

[civ_king]

Soviet Union Redux?

 

[warpus]

HDI

1. Norway 0.971 (▲ 1)
2. Australia 0.970 (▲ 2)
3. Iceland 0.969 (▼ 2)
4. Canada 0.966 (▼ 1)
5. Ireland 0.965 (&#9644

Is Australia expected to drop for next year due to all the new censorship crap, or does that not play a factor?

The Usa is not evern in the top 10 superpower

A superpower doesn't need to be in the top 10 of anything.. except I suppose military strength.

 

[Ahovking]

Is Australia expected to drop for next year due to all the new censorship crap, or does that not play a factor?



A superpower doesn't need to be in the top 10 of anything.. except I suppose military strength.

No the censorship doesn't play a big role

and yeah true superpower doesn't need to be in the top 10 of anything but it is a sign of a weakening, that nation not civ are now over taking the superpower its a bad sign

 

[Tee Kay]

wow did you guy even read my post

Western influence falling

West acquiesces as Russia wins back ex-Soviet states
By Michael Stott

Always provide a link Ahovking. You are in Off-Topic now.

And yeah, Russia is on the rise. But that doesn't = fall of America.

 

[Perfection]

in 2050 soviet Australia nukes us all

 

[Ahovking]

Always provide a link Ahovking. You are in Off-Topic now.

And yeah, Russia is on the rise. But that doesn't = fall of America.

i know it means that now even Russia can rival western influence and that Russia is standing up against Us Even in a weaker state that is a sign a weaken on the us part

 

[Arwon]

Is Australia expected to drop for next year due to all the new censorship crap, or does that not play a factor?

The internet filter has been shelved, actually.

It's a terrible idea, but has been massively blown out of proportion in terms of scope and impact.