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The Feeling of Nothing

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Synsensa, Oct 23, 2011.

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Do you fear nothingness after death?

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  2. No

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  1. Mechanicalsalvation

    Mechanicalsalvation -

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    But we arent realy this particles, are we?

    Trying to do the the former can be pretty fun too...:)

    ohh...very romantic, see you in hell...:lol:
    question: is it possible that if you had to leave that nothingness you werent that nothingness so you have to come here to become more like that nothingness?

    It is true according to the point of wiew but, I guess, unless you give a chance to a real detachment you will never know...

    If it was pleasurable it would have scared me but if it is immortal and blissfull I am down with it.
     
  2. Artifis

    Artifis El Gato is not happy

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    Arrogance in the sense that there should be some continuity. That it isn't fair somehow that life is that short. Ignorance plays a much less important role.

    It is an attachment. But this is why I'm saddened. Is this attachment a bad thing? I don't think so.
     
  3. Mechanicalsalvation

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    But you know that the genes and its information continue. Perhaps you should see the brighter side and be sort of proud (inspite the all the present day world troubless) for how far we have made it (becouse of the physical, intellectual, spiritual continuity or evolution) ...:)

    You have answered your question. Be detached for being happy. Detachment is more natural precisely becouse it doesnt bring the sense of sadness.
     
  4. bathsheba666

    bathsheba666 Fast 'n Bulbous

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    Not necessarily. You explained it, and I dismissed it by pointing out your premise was flawed and your attention misdirected.

    Apparently you feel attached to your viewpoint.
    And that's fine, clarity is not for everyone.
     
  5. Artifis

    Artifis El Gato is not happy

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    I'm happy that humanity, through the length of its existence, has managed to come up with so much to appreciate. Culture, science, knowledge. I am in awe of what we have done (although on the flip side anything we have achieved is piffles in the grand scheme of life).

    But am I proud? Well... Considering that we're in the process of destroying the planet, not so much. If all humanity has done is to create a world of selfish bastards who will snuff out future generations, then I might actually see it as a good thing if we were to disappear.. Deeply uncomfortable thought that, but still one worth thinking.

    Lastly, whether or not my genes and my information continue is irrelevant. What's relevant (and therefore arrogant) is my sense of unfairness that I will not be there to see it continue.

    If I'm detached, then there's no reason to feel proud no? Wouldn't that be contradicting what you've just said above?
     
  6. Souron

    Souron The Dark Lord

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    The two build on each other. And there's a comfort to stability too.

    Knowing isn't important; introspection is useful, but not vital.
     
  7. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    No, I pointed to you that both aren't, in fact, the same from the viewpoint of the person, and you just played dumb.

    Explanation to someone who is not interested in understanding is pointless, but I guess it allows you to think you've somehow outsmarted someone. Be my guest !
     
  8. bathsheba666

    bathsheba666 Fast 'n Bulbous

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    "Explanation to someone who is not interested in understanding is pointless"
    ...is certainly hard to disagree with, but let's try again...

    "the viewpoint of the person"
    - you see, you have this now, but you didn't have it before, and you won't have it after.
    So there is no viewpoint. So you will have no view, so it doesn't matter.

    If not being around later, is going to preoccupy you now when you have (I assume) more interesting things to get on with, rest assured it won't preoccupy you after.

    Unhappy?
    When you're dead, you'll grin all day..
     
  9. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Honestly, this looks like a bunch of assertions that people can use to diminish the pain. Yes, if I wanted to believe wildly unprovable things, I could reduce my loss.
     
  10. Mechanicalsalvation

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    Grand scheme? I am currious what do you mean by that. What does it matter if the universes are infinite if there is no life? Piffles? Compare to what? Billion years ago?:)

    Again I would suggest you look at the brighter side. You must look where we came from. We have developed from animal kingdom. We are no more just an animals - but rather half-animals. So the destruction, selflishness and even your disgust are all quite natural and understandable things. I believe that if my goal(more perfect human being) is forward I must look forward to reach it instead of looking at the destructive and dark side that the human/animal beings undoubtedly have.

    Thats not arrogance but sense of frustration, if I am judging it correctly, which spring from ignorance about immortality of your own inmost being.


    It dependes where the pride is based in. You can feel sort of psychic pride comparable to what mother feels about her children which can be quite compatible with detachment as well. But even if you feel just the ordinary kind of pride it may still be better than feel sad, I think.

    Introspection serves the purpose of knowledge so the knowing is superior. I guess you can say that knowing through introspection is superior to other formes of knowledge.
    What is vital then for you? In my wiew knowledge is vital as it leads to other even more important...
     
  11. Synsensa

    Synsensa Deity Retired Moderator

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    So basically something like the Force in Star Wars? Weird to compare it, but it seems to be the most similar to what you are suggesting. Something like that could make sense, I guess. Not provable, but if I were forced to believe in something it would likely be something like that or another energetic force that is the source of everything.

    @El: Yeah I guess the poll question was worded for a very specific line of answers. My mistake, :p
     
  12. EnglishCrusader

    EnglishCrusader AYEEEEE

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    I always used to worry about this when I was younger, not so much now.
     
  13. Mechanicalsalvation

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    Only if you would be detached as well. This or simillar bunch of unprovable assertions/knowledge can be used to help you be more detached. Detachment is wisdom. Or is it wiser to helplessly ponder your unreparable loss? I have writen what I did becouse you mentioned before your belief in continuation of consciousness after physical death.
     
  14. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Many religious people are very much scared by death. Even if we believe our immortal souls will survive, there's no guarantee that our minds or our consciousness will. If it doesn't, then for all intents and purposes there is nothingness.
     
  15. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    :) You might have me confused with someone else. I certainly don't think there is continuation of consciousness after death.
     
  16. Synsensa

    Synsensa Deity Retired Moderator

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    What is the point of believing in an afterlife then :confused:
     
  17. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    So that your soul doesn't spend eternity in suffering I suppose. Gotta look out for what's bigger than you. I mean, for all we know the afterlife may not even be able to be comprehended by our corporeal minds. Or maybe it can.
     
  18. Mechanicalsalvation

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    It makes perfect sense. But my inspiration is not the movies but philosophy and yoga. There is one way to prove it and that is to follow some path of introspection and greater self-awareness. We are the most developed form of earthly life due to our mental capacity but this capacity can be used not only for purpose of scientific method or intelectual reasoning....
     
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    My bad. :)Sorry for your loss, btw.
     
  20. squadbroken

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    Same. Now I'm more concerned about the effects my death would have on my friends and family.

    On a personal level I know I'm going to be gone someday and there's nothing I can do about it. No point in getting worked up over it prematurely.
     

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