That again? Any graduate level textbook on the topic will back me up, but I suppose you never looked at any of those.
Your problem is your overconfidence and your prejudice based on religious affiliation of your opponent. So far you did not back up yourself with a single quote from a graduate level textbook, what makes you think I never looked in any of those? Unlike many people in this thread I am not supporting my statements by the qualifications of my person, but by the sources such as Encyclopedias. For all you know I might be teaching guys almost like you using those textbooks. The quicker you react -- the more embarrassing you make your position. Classical world is deterministic in it's nature, quantum world is not. If the physical nature of an atom was solely described by classical mechanics, electrons would not orbit the nucleus, since orbiting electrons emit radiation (due to circular motion) and would eventually collide with the nucleus due to this loss of energy. This framework was unable to explain the stability of atoms. Instead, electrons remain in an uncertain,
non-deterministic, smeared, probabilistic waveparticle orbital about the nucleus, defying the traditional assumptions of classical mechanics and electromagnetism. In addition there is also a measurement problem, which describes that the very act of measurement in general destroys the target quantum state you were trying to observe. You always observe particle with a spin up, or with a spin down, while before the observation particle could have been in quantum superposition of those two states.
Now you are the one who is reformulating statements in his head. I said that religious people tend to assume that these claims go beyond the available evidence but never check what these claims actually mean and what evidence is out there. Instead they turn to liars (and to be fair, never actually check out what is behind those claims, either).
We are going in circles here. Again what are "these claims"? I broke down situation to you, step by step, and demonstrated that religious people do not attack science as long it stays in the realm of science. The moment you repeat after Carl Sagan "The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be" you go far beyond the realm of science. Available evidence precludes as from making any scientific statements about "ever" -- I mean the Cosmos itself was not around for ever, but just measly 13.7 billion years! Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
There is a huge difference between claiming that there must be no God (because evolution?!?) and the idea that God is not necessary for life to evolve
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I agree with this difference. But in practice in the minds of people there is also an overlap between this two positions. It seems very logical for many students to connect the dots and arrive to conclusion that intelligently designed evolution is oxymoron.
So you developed your faith on your own, with no other people and sources involved? Why would you even reference the Bible if your faith has nothing to do with the religious people who wrote it?
Of course I did not. Faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the Word of God. If we have a Father who art in Heaven, he would certainly know how to use "religious people" such as fisherman Peter to pass His Message across the world and across the centuries. I was theist by default, as early as I could remember myself, just like I loved my father by default, based on the simple everyday observation that even me did not come out of nothing, much less this Elegant Universe. Even though I grew up in the country which was first to adopt Christianity as official religion -- atheism was the official religion of my country when I was growing up, there were no Bibles in bookstore, simply visiting the church could cost you a membership in Communist Party, essential for many careers in USSR. So I touched Bible around 14-15 and converted from theism to Christianity the same way people fall in love. I believed that God is love and everything I have learned and experienced since then only deepened my understanding of reality.
