Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I haven't played Sengoku yet. That might be interesting playing against humans.
Middles Ages might be fun. Either one of those would get my vote.
Middles Ages might be fun. Either one of those would get my vote.
The Gauntlet of Eight
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smackster
SGOTM
I like the idea of the scenario's. I think we should play fall of Rome just to see if alerum can take a human based Rome in 40 turns. But maybe Rise of Rome would be better. I've played a few of these, but I don't think it really helps that much either way, and I don't think there is much to learn for anyone that hasn't done them.
grs
nameless one
I would prefer an "epic" game. Sengoku is a nice scenario, but the invisible land units ...
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Instead of a scenerio we can always use excel. prod., as well as keeping the difficult at regent to speed up tech pace. Can also change it to only have... say... 300 turns?
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
300 turns, that would take us what? 2 years to complete
smackster
SGOTM
I say play the scenario, as that way the game will get interesting right away. I just dont see us having the patience to play a regular civ PBEM from scratch.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
A scenario might actually keep everyone's interest. The Middles Ages scenario with eight humans might be very interesting to play.
akots
Poet
Sir Bugsy said:
Sorry for interfering with your discussion. In my limited experience, the Middle Ages MP scenario is the worst of all Conquests. It is not balanced at all. Danes start with huge zerk force, Byzantines with many cities, 3 Christian nations with relics, and Abassids, Cordoba, and Russia are just plain empty without good terrain to grab. IMO, Danes can win the game if they would be able to act rapidly and efficiently and Byzantines are unbeatable in the long run.
Of all MP Conquests only 2 scenarios are really balanced:
Mesoamerica with 3 human - 3 AI (essentially perfect on decent difficulty).
Rise of Rome (almost perfect with 4 humans + 4 AI on a decent difficulty).
Napoleonic, Mesopotamia-Age of Wonders, WWII in the Pacific, and AoD are essentially unbalanced and barely playable though Napoleonic is a great fun because of diplo between 7 human players.
Sengoku might be somewhat balanced if tweaked a little bit but it must have accelerated production turned on because otherwise you can play it for a couple of years.
Also, having an epic game requires that a mapmaker checks the game and edits the rules as desired to ensure that it is indeed balanced. Otherwise, some really weird things can happen.
akots
Poet
Also, regarding the first turn problem, you might want to check the mapmaking forum at CDZ. 
Or pm Aggie about it.
Usually, the map maker has to play the first turn and input the passwords and then it is possible to continue.
Or pm Aggie about it.
Usually, the map maker has to play the first turn and input the passwords and then it is possible to continue.
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
I agree with Akots about the unbalance of many scenarios.
Now it depends on what you want. I really enjoy scenarios even if the different civs are not balanced. Forces you to use different strategies (diplo is one for instance) and anyway you have different tech-trees, units, and overall framework which can be nice.
Now it depends on what you want. I really enjoy scenarios even if the different civs are not balanced. Forces you to use different strategies (diplo is one for instance) and anyway you have different tech-trees, units, and overall framework which can be nice.
Random fan
Warlord
akots said:
Yeah I agree with akots I am playing as Danes in Middle Ages scenario and right now all I am doing is trying not to win this game too fast lol
The game is very fun though at least for me 
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Not all of us have access to RaR Mad-Bax.
Sesn, are you so opposed to the thought of playing a scenerio that you'd refuse to play if that's the direction we went?
Sesn, are you so opposed to the thought of playing a scenerio that you'd refuse to play if that's the direction we went?
SesnOfWthr
True Believer
I'm certainly not going to be a party pooper if that's how things go.
I just have enough trouble being a marginal player with regular civ, I get frustrated trying to learn all the units/techs/resources in the scenarios.
But, whatever's clever.
I just have enough trouble being a marginal player with regular civ, I get frustrated trying to learn all the units/techs/resources in the scenarios.
But, whatever's clever.
akots
Poet
SesnOfWthr said:
IMO, PBEM without AI is a completely different game, not related to SP. You can do exceptionaly bad in SP and be a great MP player or the opposite.
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Alright then, Go number 3. Same turn order, and using a scenerio this time. We've had several suggestions, but no concrete choice.
so, lets all vote:
Rise of Rome - Smackster,
Middle Age Conquest
Sengoku - Bede, grs, Sesn
Middle Age is unbalaced, but it's okay. I'll take the Danes since I'm the weakest player, and hardly know how to use their UU.
Rise of Rome seems the best option IMHO, but Sengoku would be a bloody bloody time had by all.
Let the voting begin!
so, lets all vote:
Rise of Rome - Smackster,
Middle Age Conquest
Sengoku - Bede, grs, Sesn
Middle Age is unbalaced, but it's okay. I'll take the Danes since I'm the weakest player, and hardly know how to use their UU.
Rise of Rome seems the best option IMHO, but Sengoku would be a bloody bloody time had by all.
Let the voting begin!
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