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The definition of bully refers to their behavior, not how its received. I saw bullies in grade school insulting and laughing at people, I didn't need the victims to confirm it.

I've been insulted and laughed at...by friends. It's called "joking around." I insult them and laugh at them as well. How did you know that there was bullying in what you saw? Maybe you were just left out of a group.

What if they demonstratively leave the forum after that? You'll surely regret your behavior.
Not necessarily. There are certainly people that I'd be happy to see the last of.
 
Can I just comment that the entire point of the game thread was degrading?
 
Can I just comment that the entire point of the game thread was degrading?
You are entitled to react to any construct in your head.

Unless you mean degrading the same way working with your hands has been considered degrading. In which case, carry on you privileged elitist.
 
You are entitled to react to any construct in your head.

Unless you mean degrading the same way working with your hands has been considered degrading. In which case, carry on you privileged elitist.

hey I like wood working! otherwise I'm not sure what to make of your reply
 
I would make of it "joking swapping of insults" and carry on with enjoying being a privileged elitist.

that I can do, globalist elites have that advantage
 
No doubt. There is a whole range around the exploring option, and the freedom that comes with writing someone off makes for an entire universe of possibilities. But at the end of the day the argument of the form "you just have no right to feel that way" is still a loser play.

I agree. People should really stop saying that to LM.
 
Really? I think there are a number of people here that I swap insults with in a joking manner. That's a big part of the charm here.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Absolutely AWESOME display of missing the point COMPLETELY. Freakin' hilarious.

The ONLY person you have ANY say about in terms of whether they are being bullied is YOU. You have absolutely zero grounds to make any claim about me or anyone else "bullying large numbers of people." Get over yourself.

You dont act like that to your friends here
 
So in essence you are calling me a liar.

:confused: ... that doesn't follow.

Someone saying they think your claims are false is not the same thing as them calling you a liar. That would require that they not only think the claim is false, but that they also think that you think the claim is false and are stating it anyway.

This is a pretty absurd accusation, to be honest. People disagreeing with your claims doesn't equate to them calling you a liar.
 
So in essence you are calling me a liar.

I don't know your motivations. Whether you're lying depends on whether the false information is stated while you know it's false. I'd estimate that's not your angle in this particular case and that you believe what you're saying, but I can't know it for sure.

A false belief is still false however.

Are you talking about Mary or me?

Mary in context of "there is no such thing as misandry".

This reads as "please give us guidelines in how best to bully/troll you."

Not gonna go there.

Quoted is both ad hominem and painting false intentions...something your signature asks people not do to you.

You're not going to go there because you're not capable of defining bullying even on your own terms in a way that would actually allow posts in those threads to be uniquely identified as bullying. I have not bullied anybody, nor do I wish to do so.

Fortunately, I don't care how you perceive my "argumentative position." Just read the threads and take note of the times when people other than Mary or me have disapproved of them.

I argued with other people in those threads, too. Were they all also bullied? Is pointing out someone's statement is inaccurate or that they're saying something unethical bullying? By your own standards you have bullied a large number of people in this thread, because you've established no standards. Since that's not a useful conclusion, there needs to be standards for the assertion to even be meaningful.

In contrast to the previous point, I *will* assert that a refusal to demonstrate these standards while insisting something occurred is dishonest.

Of course you didn't. :coffee:

I'm operating from evidence. Can you?

The ONLY person you have ANY say about in terms of whether they are being bullied is YOU. You have absolutely zero grounds to make any claim about me or anyone else "bullying large numbers of people." Get over yourself.

You jumped in on my discussion with Valka. She asserts Mary was bullied and that other people agree with her. That is a significant part of her justification of the false claim. I chose the analogy I did to reflect that.

You laugh at me, but it's Valka's position you're refuting.

You can either explore what it is that has them respond so strongly, which is undoubtedly something in their experience that you may very well not know about, or you can write them off as someone you can't be bothered with

I chose "write them off", until someone other than the person in question started making false claims that per your reasoning there was no justification for making. My engagement in this discussion has been in that context. Mary made her choice, and if she really felt that way despite there being no discernible basis for it that choice was reasonable.

The definition of bully refers to their behavior, not how its received. I saw bullies in grade school insulting and laughing at people, I didn't need the victims to confirm it.

If we accept this, then there should be standards after all. In fact, for this to be true there *must* be standards that allow one to determine bullying vs not. Why are those insisting 3rd party bullying occurred also insisting on avoiding those standards?

Can I just comment that the entire point of the game thread was degrading?

The premise was questionable, but got derailed less than a quarter of the way into it.
 
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You jumped in on my discussion with Valka. She asserts Mary was bullied and that other people agree with her. That is a significant part of her justification of the false claim. I chose the analogy I did to reflect that.

You laugh at me, but it's Valka's position you're refuting.

Valka is reporting hearsay, which I will vouch is a valid report since I also heard it. The only person who can say whether or not Mary felt bullied is Mary, and she has said so. Your continuing to argue with all and sundry about how she has no right to her own feelings is very...obtuse...for someone of your well demonstrated intellect.

I chose "write them off", until someone other than the person in question started making false claims that per your reasoning there was no justification for making. My engagement in this discussion has been in that context. Mary made her choice, and if she really felt that way despite there being no discernible basis for it that choice was reasonable.

Mary reported, as the only qualified source, on her feelings. You chose to write her off, and apparently Valka didn't. There appears to be some sentiment that if one or the other had to be written off, given a choice it would have been you. My own preference would be that you would lift those heels you have so thoroughly dug in and opt to be a bit conciliatory so maybe there would be room for both.

Follow the likes. Lets see, Sommers, Lexicus, mh, Hobbs. Judging by how you responded to TMIT I'd say he's not in your club.

I've also gotten likes from...oh, hey, you, so clearly that's not the defining element of this "club" that you are so fetished over.

As to TMIT, I have nothing against him. I've tried three or four times to get a particular point across to him here, which I wouldn't bother to do if he was on that short list of two trolls that I would just as soon left the site voluntarily or otherwise that I mentioned to Manfred earlier.
 
The only person who can say whether or not Mary felt bullied is Mary, and she has said so. Your continuing to argue with all and sundry about how she has no right to her own feelings is very...obtuse...for someone of your well demonstrated intellect.
There is a difference between "Mary said she felt bullied" and "Mary was bullied".
The former tells only about her feelings, which other people cannot control and aren't responsible for.
The latter implies that people have done something wrong to her.
 
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Whether Mary was or was not bullied is immaterial. The point is that she felt that she was bullied.

Looking at the facts, she adopted a very controversial opinion, doubled or tripled down on it when challenged, would not defend her position and got a bloody nose for her efforts. Welcome to OT. You guys don't always "play nice" here and sometimes it gets a little rough. Posters have to be prepared to be challenged and to defend their assertions or this doesn't work. I'm sorry, but that is reality. You can have a forum full of bland agreement or you can have a forum with lively discussion. It's your choice. With some restrictions, OT is what you make it.

It's very sad that Mary chose to leave. I have said this before, and I do wish that she would come back. But if she does, she has to understand that it isn't always roses and sunshine here. People have strong opinions on controversial topics and they defend them, and as long as they don't violate the rules, they should do just that..
 
Valka is reporting hearsay, which I will vouch is a valid report since I also heard it. The only person who can say whether or not Mary felt bullied is Mary, and she has said so. Your continuing to argue with all and sundry about how she has no right to her own feelings is very...obtuse...for someone of your well demonstrated intellect.

I didn't say anybody has "no right to own feelings". I did say they are in some cases based on perception inconsistent with reality/unreasonable. Those are different assertions.

There appears to be some sentiment that if one or the other had to be written off, given a choice it would have been you. My own preference would be that you would lift those heels you have so thoroughly dug in and opt to be a bit conciliatory so maybe there would be room for both.

None of this is personal. Anybody can still freely write me off after reading this thread (or never even knowing this thread exists, etc.). I felt inclined to defend myself + a few others based on what was stated to happen vs what happened. People are going to make their own conclusions, beyond what I've typed I can't influence that.

Given the ignore feature anybody so inclined to write people off could simply ignore any number of posters outright. In that instance you'd have a double write-off at worst and much less drama. It's not the solution I prefer since I like debating things, but it's an option.

I've also gotten likes from...oh, hey, you, so clearly that's not the defining element of this "club" that you are so fetished over.

There are some people who tend to all like each other's posts, but there's some overlap between "groups", some people who don't have consistent tendencies, and some arguments within groups on occasion. This shouldn't be surprising, as you're going to get at least some clustering of agreement on basic ideas if you throw enough people into one spot, doesn't need some hugbox/concerted effort. I don't get the big deal made of this lately. This isn't some other-forum dogpiling or some reddit mass false flagging campaign or something.
 
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