The Grognards

[Steph]

That's what I wanted to say about Wurtemberg / Westphalia.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by Steph
That's what I wanted to say about Wurtemberg / Westphalia.

exelent

Now we just need Lou to approve the idea.

 

[Ozymandias]

The composition of the German states varied dramatically from 1797 - 1815; I was going with 1797 as a starting point.

I quote from Colin McEvedy's "The Penguin Atlas Of Modern History (to 1815)":

"The territorial adjustments made in 1801-2 (all of them in France's favor) were followed by a reorganization of Germany in 1803. The states whose territory on the left bank of the Rhine had been incorporated into France were given compensation on the right bank; at the same time the opportunity was taken to simplify the whole jigsaw. In line with the prevailing secular trend many of these compensation were made at the expense of ecclesiastical rulers [...]"

Thus "Baden" and "Wurttemberg" don't really appear as (very)minor powers until 1803; likewise Napoleon's brother Jerome was given a great slice of easternmost Prussia (The Kingdom Of Westphalia) in 1807.

-Oz

 

[Al Zan]

What map are you guys going to use for this Mods?

 

[Al Zan]

As for the Ottomans had Egypt under their rule.
The Map that i ,think would be bestis Tierra_360 _el_mencey for the game that as US.

 

[Yoda Power]

Al Zan-LouLong is working on a map, so we will use that for the first scenario I presume. But any maps could be used for this mod.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Originally posted by ozymandias


A man of principle

Personally, I have nothing against CDG -- quite the contrary -- but at times it seems, sadly, like the place where some very talented folks go whenever they have ANY sort of "issue" here; this is a matter of temperament and choice which I'm delighted CFC -- and its mods! -- respect.

... Still, I miss Wyrmshadow, et. al. ...

All The Best,

Oz

I'm not gone, I'm just on a temporary retirement from unit creation.

 

[LouLong]

Comprehensive Mod Countries List

Well I tried to make a summary of different lists and ideas :
(remember these are for the mod so different civs might actually occupy the same space but at different times, when done it will be just be a pb of picking them).

Austria
Barabesc (Maghreb)
Britain
Denmark (Norway)
France
Ottomans
Mamluk
Netherlands / Batavia
Poland
Portugal
Prussia
Russia
Spain (loyalist)
Spain (Napoleonic)
Sweden
Swiss / Helvetia
USA


Italy will be divided as such :

Austria (Tuscany, Milanese Lombardia)
Venice
Papal States
Savoy/Sardinia
Naples
Small Italians (Genoa, Parma, Modena)
kingfom of Italy (Napoleonic)


Germany will be divided as such (and the empty shell of Holy Roman Empire will be forgotten or could just be a "race"). The independant cities within minor states will be incorporated

Britain (Hannover)
Denmark (Holstein)
Sweden (Pomerania)
Austria and Prussia
Bavaria
Germany (all others, including some cities)
Rhine confederacy (others than Wurtemberg)
Saxony
Westphalia
Wurtemberg (or Bade-Wurtemberg) that will be made one country


which amounts to 29, knowing than all of them cannot appear on the same map at the same time.

Please voice your opinion so we can close this chapter !

 

[Yoda Power]

I have no objektions. Exept you might want it to say Netherlands/Batavia

 

[LouLong]

Kryten, nice to see you paid us a visit !

Your Spanish and support ideas are just great ! Just need someone (Mrtn, where are you ?) who could represent graphically the support idea.
By giving Spain two different governments I hope we can really implement the Spanish ideas.
Spain will sure have a guerilla unit in any case.

About the other one, I am not sure we can implement it here.
But I will check and the idea of showing nationalist will through two different stats is interesting. It will need some major map tweakings though.

 

[LouLong]

@ Yoda : done !

@ All

I have started to look for a convenient map for the main Napoleonic adventure but most don't fit so I propose you this one (before I start doing it).

We lose : 1/Egypt and Lybia 2/ the north of Scandinavia (which limits the cape North trade between Russia and England).
Are these pbs or is that map OK since it focuses only on the important area ?

I can arrange it easily so voice your opinions !

 

[Rocoteh]

U.S., Egypt and Libya should be included.

I do not miss the northen part of Scandinavia since
AI now will treat Scandinavia as a continent.

Rocoteh

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow
I'm not gone, I'm just on a temporary retirement from unit creation.

Now THAT'S what I call good news!

-Oz

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by LouLong
@ Yoda : done !

@ All

I have started to look for a convenient map for the main Napoleonic adventure but most don't fit so I propose you this one (before I start doing it).

We lose : 1/Egypt and Lybia 2/ the north of Scandinavia (which limits the cape North trade between Russia and England).
Are these pbs or is that map OK since it focuses only on the important area ?

I can arrange it easily so voice your opinions !

Hi LouLong!

-The only thing you miss this way is of course the Pyramids campaign and whatever Wonders / VLs etc. you might otherwise have placed around there -- But, personally, this isn't much of an issue for me (as though the AI would try to take a French fleet to the Pyramids!! ) so, yes, I think the area you've delineated is just fine.

-Oz

 

[Yoda Power]

Ok if we go for a single scenario that covers the whole Napoleonic era, then I suggest a map alot like this(attached pic). If we deside (also) to have 3 scenarios covering different periods in the era, I think we should go for more specialiced maps(not having egypt on a 1812 scenario).

 

[Rocoteh]

Yoda Power,

I think your map would be better.

Rocoteh

 

[Steph]

Yes, Yoda's map is better, and it is more "France centered" which is nice for a Napoleonic scenario

 

[Yoda Power]

btw what size should the map be? I dont think it should be larger than 140.140. I am not in favor of a slow scenario. Actually I would prefer a Standard(100.100) map, but many might think thats too small.

 

[Rocoteh]

140.140. should be OK.

Yes, the Standard map would be to small.

Rocoteh

 

[Steph]

I'd rahter have a bigger map where we could have some manoeuver warfare (city sieges were quite seldom), but with no settler for expansion : the cities would be the initial cities, it should limit lag.