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Has anyone considered the mysteriuos R.A.B character from book 6 to have been under the cloak? I know im jumping the gun a bit but does anyone have the slightest clue who he/she is, Regulus Black?
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Hermione dies! 
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...Which doesn't prove he's evil or not evil.
Interesting point.
Yes, but why would he?
Which begs the question: why didn't the Potters use themselves as the secret keepers?
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Hermione dies!
She does? Well, shes still too whory...
My gf got fascinated by the wiki page for harry potter and it bring up a valid point, she found out that side characters are mentioned two books before they do anything, e.g. sirius black in the first book, ms bones in 5th book. Seems like it could very much be Regulus, put my idea of Borgin or Burkes to shame
@NK- so he could go visit them? i can't remember the length of time in which they were in the house, anyone else know?
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You misunderstand--why would Peter, the spy for Voldemort, tell Dumbledore?
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Lily and James must have telled Dumbledore... I mean, why not?
Because it would be very hard to come up with a convincing lie as to why he wouldnt tell dumbledore.
Kraznaya
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RAB is definitely Regulus, because foreign translations re-initialize the name to correspond with the translation of the Black family name (for example RAZ if Black starts with Z in that language)
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Everyone dies, save Harry.
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And Harry then commits suicide, to get little kids to do the same. And the Pope will weep.
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I believe that you can't be Secret-Keeper when you're the subject of the secret itself.
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They couldn't, unless they were Secret Keeper. They obviously would have known their own whereabouts, but the Fidelius Charm wouldn't have allowed them to divulge its location.
He could have avoided facing him.
Just a theory, or is this actually said somewhere?
He could yes but that would have just aroused Dumbledores suspicions.
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I've never read book 5, but read 1-4 and 6. Didn't really find them that fascinating. However, I will probably read book 7 sometime this year. 
I'm curious to see if this thread actually works. 
I'm curious to see if this thread actually works. North King
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And? He had the protection of the (second) greatest wizard in the world.
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Well, it’s not a "day" per se but the time between when Dursley leaves for work and midnight that night when Hagrid arrives - i.e up to 18 hours. We know McGonagall talked to Hagrid right before he left, so that means Hagrid was away all "day."
It could very well just be narrative convenience. Rowling doesn't write with chronological consistency in mind (and indeed it's hard to keep things straight in a narrative that's so large). A great example of that is how Harry's parents come out of Voldy's wand in the wrong order at the end of book 4!
On the other hand, notice that Dumbledore thought Hagrid was late (i.e. expected him earlier than midnight) even though Dumbledore couldn’t have known Hagrid would be flying in. To me that's a clue that something is going on.
Could also be what the Cloak IS. I doubt it’s a Horcrux, for one thing, but could it be Godric Gryffindor’s relic?
If someone was hiding in GH that night (with or without the cloak), my bet is Snape. Seriously.
Since we haven't got to book 3 yet, we'll save discussion of the Fidelius Charm. However there ARE several fishy things about that story and you guys are picking some of em up
Analysis: Chapters 9-17 of Book One.
A very interesting theory some people have proposed is that Rowling wrote the seven tasks with the 7 books in mind.
The 1st task is about a multi-headed monster. Fluffy parallels Quirrel.
The 2nd task is about a strangling/paralyzing, snakelike monster (and the solution is found by Hermione). The Devil’s Snare parallels the Basilisk.
The 3rd task is about finding the right key out of a confusing flock, and it turns out to be the key with a broken wing. In the 3rd book Harry has to pick who’s the real culprit out of all the suspects, and it turns out to be the guy with a missing finger. The trio initially thinks the keys are birds, a reference to Sirius and Pettigrew being secret Animagi.
The 4th task is the chess game which parallels the Triwizard Cup, including Ron’s sacrifice = Cedric’s death.
The 5th task is the troll… I’m having trouble with this one.
The 6th task is the potions. This is Snape’s task, and the solution is to figure out the “Riddle,” which potions are helpful and which are secretly poison. Very obvious parallels here, including the fact that Harry has to continue alone after Hermione/Dumbledore drinks a potion.
This leads to our first Unwarranted Speculation!
UWS #1: The 7th book will have something to do with: a final confrontation with Voldemort, something that grants eternal life (horcruxes!), the Mirror of Erised, Harry being a prisoner, Harry being protected by his mother’s love, Dumbledore?, magical objects being hidden inside things (horcruxes again!) and secrets/lies/mirrors in general.
Another possible analogy people have picked up on is between the 7 potions in Snape’s riddle and the 7 DADA teachers in the books. Recall that two of the potions are helpful, two are neutral: “only wine,” while three are poisonous “killers.” Lupin helped Harry, Quirrel, Crouch and Snape tried to kill him, and Lockhart and Umbridge had their own agendas, leaving just one potion to be encountered and leading to
UWS #2: The DADA teacher in book 7 will be helpful and will aid Harry in facing his future or past.
For me, this theory is very tenuous because of Umbridge's hostility towards Harry and also because the rest of the riddle doesn't match the theory at all (i.e. the riddle mentions that the 2nd and 6th potions are "twins"). However, I'll leave it up for now.
Now, on to Dumbledore's conversation with Harry.
The most salient part of their conversation - apart from Dumbledore foreshadowing the existence of horcruxes - is Dumbledore's explanation for why Quirrel could not touch Harry: his mother's sacrifice to protect him created a powerful enchantmen "in your very blood." Later (GOF) both Voldemort and Dumbledore will use this same story to explain why the AK curse rebounded.
This story is pretty holey to be honest. Is this protection created every time a mother dies to save her child? How unlikely is it that Lily's sacrifice is the very first time such a thing has happened? How could Voldemort be taken by surprise by this?
People have previously interviewd JKR on this question:
Fishy, huh?
UAQ #3: Just what is so important about Lily? What is the REAL explanation for why the AK curse rebounded?
For tomorrow, we'll start on Chamber of Secrets. The pace is very slow for now, guys, but when we get to the last 3 books you'll find 8 chapters more than enough for an hour's reading and I don't want to do more than that so even casual readers can keep alongside us.
Reading Assignment for July 3: Chapters 1-8 of Book Two.
Well, it’s not a "day" per se but the time between when Dursley leaves for work and midnight that night when Hagrid arrives - i.e up to 18 hours. We know McGonagall talked to Hagrid right before he left, so that means Hagrid was away all "day."
It could very well just be narrative convenience. Rowling doesn't write with chronological consistency in mind (and indeed it's hard to keep things straight in a narrative that's so large). A great example of that is how Harry's parents come out of Voldy's wand in the wrong order at the end of book 4!
On the other hand, notice that Dumbledore thought Hagrid was late (i.e. expected him earlier than midnight) even though Dumbledore couldn’t have known Hagrid would be flying in. To me that's a clue that something is going on.
Could also be what the Cloak IS. I doubt it’s a Horcrux, for one thing, but could it be Godric Gryffindor’s relic?
If someone was hiding in GH that night (with or without the cloak), my bet is Snape. Seriously.
Since we haven't got to book 3 yet, we'll save discussion of the Fidelius Charm. However there ARE several fishy things about that story and you guys are picking some of em up
Analysis: Chapters 9-17 of Book One.
A very interesting theory some people have proposed is that Rowling wrote the seven tasks with the 7 books in mind.
The 1st task is about a multi-headed monster. Fluffy parallels Quirrel.
The 2nd task is about a strangling/paralyzing, snakelike monster (and the solution is found by Hermione). The Devil’s Snare parallels the Basilisk.
The 3rd task is about finding the right key out of a confusing flock, and it turns out to be the key with a broken wing. In the 3rd book Harry has to pick who’s the real culprit out of all the suspects, and it turns out to be the guy with a missing finger. The trio initially thinks the keys are birds, a reference to Sirius and Pettigrew being secret Animagi.
The 4th task is the chess game which parallels the Triwizard Cup, including Ron’s sacrifice = Cedric’s death.
The 5th task is the troll… I’m having trouble with this one.
The 6th task is the potions. This is Snape’s task, and the solution is to figure out the “Riddle,” which potions are helpful and which are secretly poison. Very obvious parallels here, including the fact that Harry has to continue alone after Hermione/Dumbledore drinks a potion.
This leads to our first Unwarranted Speculation!
UWS #1: The 7th book will have something to do with: a final confrontation with Voldemort, something that grants eternal life (horcruxes!), the Mirror of Erised, Harry being a prisoner, Harry being protected by his mother’s love, Dumbledore?, magical objects being hidden inside things (horcruxes again!) and secrets/lies/mirrors in general.
Another possible analogy people have picked up on is between the 7 potions in Snape’s riddle and the 7 DADA teachers in the books. Recall that two of the potions are helpful, two are neutral: “only wine,” while three are poisonous “killers.” Lupin helped Harry, Quirrel, Crouch and Snape tried to kill him, and Lockhart and Umbridge had their own agendas, leaving just one potion to be encountered and leading to
UWS #2: The DADA teacher in book 7 will be helpful and will aid Harry in facing his future or past.
For me, this theory is very tenuous because of Umbridge's hostility towards Harry and also because the rest of the riddle doesn't match the theory at all (i.e. the riddle mentions that the 2nd and 6th potions are "twins"). However, I'll leave it up for now.
Now, on to Dumbledore's conversation with Harry.
The most salient part of their conversation - apart from Dumbledore foreshadowing the existence of horcruxes - is Dumbledore's explanation for why Quirrel could not touch Harry: his mother's sacrifice to protect him created a powerful enchantmen "in your very blood." Later (GOF) both Voldemort and Dumbledore will use this same story to explain why the AK curse rebounded.
This story is pretty holey to be honest. Is this protection created every time a mother dies to save her child? How unlikely is it that Lily's sacrifice is the very first time such a thing has happened? How could Voldemort be taken by surprise by this?
People have previously interviewd JKR on this question:
Fishy, huh?
UAQ #3: Just what is so important about Lily? What is the REAL explanation for why the AK curse rebounded?
For tomorrow, we'll start on Chamber of Secrets. The pace is very slow for now, guys, but when we get to the last 3 books you'll find 8 chapters more than enough for an hour's reading
and I don't want to do more than that so even casual readers can keep alongside us.Reading Assignment for July 3: Chapters 1-8 of Book Two.
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Doubtful. We have no evidence that Harry's Cloak is any different from any other.
Rowling says on her site that Snape wasn't hiding under the Cloak. He's only there if he wasn't under the cloak.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I also don't think this one is likely, however, if it were, Snape never tried to kill Harry. Umbridge might well have.
I honestly don't see what's so unbelievable about Lily's love protecting Harry. Dumbledore himself has stated over and over that it was love that saved Harry, as has Voldemort, and it fits the general themes of the series so well: that love is the most powerful form of magic.
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