Berzerker
Deity
Hong Kong was pretty close there for a while, dont know how the commies have screwed it up yet.
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Hong Kong was pretty close there for a while, dont know how the commies have screwed it up yet.
Pah, it's impossible to have a completely free market.
Berzerker
Deity
How does one have so much knowledge of Islam and Muslim countries and be so ignorant of libertarianism?
Anarcho-capitalism is pretty much what libertarianism tries to be.
Berzerker
Deity
countries run by a patchwork of warlords or the Taliban aint libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Somehow I dont think so. I think Ron Paul truly understands the only way to legitimize parts of the Libertarian agenda are to make them part of the Republican agenda. I think thats what he is trying to do. And fwiw, he actually raised a good bit of money and got more electoral votes than many of the other, more mainstream, republican candidates.
It does for the purpose of that vote.
And what if he is successful in making some of the Libertarian issues, republican issues? What if the republicans end up embracing a few of his ideas?
Berzerker
Deity
That's precisely what it would be.
Hong Kong proves you wrong
If you don't like it, you don't have to post in the thread. Hey, there's a novel idea!
AL_DA_GREAT
amour absinthe révolution
The libertarian party is by far the USA's best party on most issues. I hope they go further.
Princeps
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Your view of Hong Kong is absolutely delusional.
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Libertarianism only appears when people are rich and stupid.
You get something similar when people are poor, but there you get armed gangs, corruption, crime and warlords as well. People don't want to call it 'Libertarianism' then for some reason.
There's a reason we have governments, armies and police forces: you can't trust other people to behave.
You get something similar when people are poor, but there you get armed gangs, corruption, crime and warlords as well. People don't want to call it 'Libertarianism' then for some reason.
There's a reason we have governments, armies and police forces: you can't trust other people to behave.
AL_DA_GREAT
amour absinthe révolution
Libertarians believe in a hard criminal justice system. People who abuse their power should be delt with harshly.
Berzerker
Deity
Before the Commies, it was about the most libertarian economic system on the planet. You got something that says otherwise? I didn't think so...
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Berserker: you've heard of the Triads right? Hong Kong is famous for it's organised crime.
Al: but they're the ones in control...
Al: but they're the ones in control...
Berzerker
Deity
Yer own little paradox to solve
Because libertarianism values the protection of private property, these "systems" dont. Libertarianism protects the minority from the majority and you're claiming here that libertarianism is mob rule.
Try reading the people who gave us the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Aside from slavery this was a libertarian country for quite a while...But you can trust em with government
According to our Founding documents we have our government to protect life, liberty and property - not "re-distribute wealth" based on some left winger's notion of "fairness".
Berzerker
Deity
and we're famous for the Mafia, so what?
brennan
Argumentative Brit
And what mechanism does Libertarianism use to support the protection of private property?
Redistribution is protection of life.
Redistribution is protection of life.
Just out of curiosity, which of your three classifications do you think I fall into?
Did any of those three have a democratic government powerful enough to consistently enforce the laws and maintain a coherent legal system?
And folks, there is a Libertarian Party and a Republican Party. There's a libertarian ideology and a conservative ideology. Please don't confuse party membership with ideology, it makes baby Jesus cry.
Princeps
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yeah, it has an essential role in the friedmanian mythology, but its a complete fabrication. Hong Kong always had pretty extensive state role in housing, education, land and healthcare. Also, Hong Kong had many advantages, like foreign provided defense.
Actually, the situation is reverse. China is not communist, most of China is becoming a lot like Hong Kong. Markets with strong state interference, protectionism like tariffs and currency manipulation, and so forth.
