Perhaps, then, we could have a recount on 08-08-2008?
Now that's something I can vote for.
Actually, I don't think the great wall should qualify. I don't think it's wonderful.
The New Seven Wonders of the World
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Now that's something I can vote for.
Actually, I don't think the great wall should qualify. I don't think it's wonderful.
I am Brazilian and i believe also that The christ is NOT a true World Wonder I mean it is simply a Statue. It has many others like it around the World. I was sad for it to enter on BTS and i am even more sad when i heard about its election.
indeed They made lots of efforts on local newspapers and on the internet for people vote on it . Now I can only see how much money this election will bring to Brazil and how many jobs it will produce. It's just about to gain Appeal for Money really sad.
indeed They made lots of efforts on local newspapers and on the internet for people vote on it . Now I can only see how much money this election will bring to Brazil and how many jobs it will produce. It's just about to gain Appeal for Money really sad.
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6underground
Resident Welshie
Anyone who wants to know what the REAL, modern, 7 world wonders are today merely has to analyse statistical tourism landmark data from across the globe. Let the numbers speak for themselves, just as popularity deemed the original wonders as wonders.
Christ Redeemer for instance, doesn't pull in half as many international tourists as the Statue of Liberty. I'm not an American, before anyone jumps to conclusions.
Merely pointing out the obvious, that true "wonders" attract millions, the top seven that attract the most, by defacto, ARE the modern 7 wonders.
my two centz
Christ Redeemer for instance, doesn't pull in half as many international tourists as the Statue of Liberty. I'm not an American, before anyone jumps to conclusions.
Merely pointing out the obvious, that true "wonders" attract millions, the top seven that attract the most, by defacto, ARE the modern 7 wonders.
my two centz
I wonder how many people visit large shopping malls!?.....Must be more than The Statue Of Liberty!? 
6underground
Resident Welshie
But then again, shopping malls aren't landmarks
Anyone who wants to know what the REAL, modern, 7 world wonders are today merely has to analyse statistical tourism landmark data from across the globe. Let the numbers speak for themselves, just as popularity deemed the original wonders as wonders.
Christ Redeemer for instance, doesn't pull in half as many international tourists as the Statue of Liberty. I'm not an American, before anyone jumps to conclusions.
Merely pointing out the obvious, that true "wonders" attract millions, the top seven that attract the most, by defacto, ARE the modern 7 wonders.
my two centz
I wonder how many people visit large shopping malls!?.....Must be more than The Statue Of Liberty!?
What about the DMV? There's always a line there, must be loads of people visiting yearly. And don't forget just about every Social Security Office is stuffed to the gills with people, maybe that should considered.
6underground
Resident Welshie
people seem to missing a word in my post, quite frequently....
let me bold it for future reference:
LANDMARK
Shopping Centres = Not a landmark
Social Security Office = Not a landmark
Noticing a trend? I hope so
let me bold it for future reference:
LANDMARK
Shopping Centres = Not a landmark
Social Security Office = Not a landmark
Noticing a trend? I hope so
I think if you lived in say Minneapolis (MOA), Edmonton (WEM) or even Houston (the Galleria), these shopping malls would be considered important Landmarks by you.
And if you were on Welfare........
Different strokes for different folks!
And if you were on Welfare........
Different strokes for different folks!
bkn42
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I think if you lived in say Minneapolis (MOA), Edmonton (WEM) or even Houston (the Galleria), these shopping malls would be considered important Landmarks by you.
And if you were on Welfare........
Different strokes for different folks!
Actually, most of us Twin Citians don't really care at all for the MOA. Sure, it's cool every once in a while, but other than the tourism that it generates for a non-tourism state, it's just a bloated mall to us. That, and after they took snoopy away, I've refused to visit the mall.
In Houston, an entire area of the city is named after the Galleria shopping mall. (Viz. Galleria Area.)
And, nearby hotels put "Galleria" in their names. (I.e. Houston Marriott West Loop by the Galleria, Residence Inn Houston by the Galleria, The Westin Galleria.)
And, nearby hotels put "Galleria" in their names. (I.e. Houston Marriott West Loop by the Galleria, Residence Inn Houston by the Galleria, The Westin Galleria.)
Hawe Hawe
Warlord
Neither internet-election nor visitors or tourism-statistics can be an argument for the democratic value of such a decision. There are countries with a high internet access and countries with established and high developed tourism infrastructure and including marketing.
Timbuktu for example lacks in both aspects and thats why it has bad chances in such an election.
So its an interesting voting process, it shows that world cultural heritage can create a broad interest. Thats very promising. But it is never an objective or democratic decision.
Nevertheless i think the result is acceptable, apart from Christ Redeemer. This in my opinion is more a natural or geographical wonder. A single high peak directly on a tropical waterfront with a bay and a sandy beach plus a mega city on its bottom. The whole site of Rio de Janeiro is very impressive and beautiful indeed, but no human-made wonder. The rather modern statue as artificial object itself seems nothing extraordinary, but i must admit i haven't been there yet.
Timbuktu for example lacks in both aspects and thats why it has bad chances in such an election.
So its an interesting voting process, it shows that world cultural heritage can create a broad interest. Thats very promising. But it is never an objective or democratic decision.
Nevertheless i think the result is acceptable, apart from Christ Redeemer. This in my opinion is more a natural or geographical wonder. A single high peak directly on a tropical waterfront with a bay and a sandy beach plus a mega city on its bottom. The whole site of Rio de Janeiro is very impressive and beautiful indeed, but no human-made wonder. The rather modern statue as artificial object itself seems nothing extraordinary, but i must admit i haven't been there yet.
ExplodingFist
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The wonder org made a huge mistake by not constraining the voting process to make the voting fair. All credibility was instantly lost with this announcement.
The statue of christ? No tradition, no history, no barrier breaking achievement or piece of engineering - heck, it was built of stone & CONCRETE in 1931! Not much more than a post card view.
What a joke!!! It should not even have been NOMINATED!!
Any of the following should be considered a much more worthy wonder by any objective criteria by at least two magnitudes of order:
- The Acropolis
Classic, ancient wonder built in ~500 BC. Enormous cultural and historical value - hello!!
- Stonehenge
Unique, prehistoric wonder built at about 3100 BC. The stone had to be pulled by hand from Wales. Was used and improved on over 1500+ years - hello!!
- Ankor Wat
Massive, built in ~800 AD in the middle of the jungle, huge religious and historical importance.
- Hagia Sophia
Classic byzantine architecture from 530+ AD, biggest cathedral building in the world for over 1000 years (sic!) - now, that's a wonder!
I could go on, basically most of the other candidates would have been more deserving. This 20 century statue makes a mockery of all the other wonders of the world and anybody who voted for it should be ASHAMED.
The statue of christ? No tradition, no history, no barrier breaking achievement or piece of engineering - heck, it was built of stone & CONCRETE in 1931! Not much more than a post card view.
What a joke!!! It should not even have been NOMINATED!!
Any of the following should be considered a much more worthy wonder by any objective criteria by at least two magnitudes of order:
- The Acropolis
Classic, ancient wonder built in ~500 BC. Enormous cultural and historical value - hello!!
- Stonehenge
Unique, prehistoric wonder built at about 3100 BC. The stone had to be pulled by hand from Wales. Was used and improved on over 1500+ years - hello!!
- Ankor Wat
Massive, built in ~800 AD in the middle of the jungle, huge religious and historical importance.
- Hagia Sophia
Classic byzantine architecture from 530+ AD, biggest cathedral building in the world for over 1000 years (sic!) - now, that's a wonder!
I could go on, basically most of the other candidates would have been more deserving. This 20 century statue makes a mockery of all the other wonders of the world and anybody who voted for it should be ASHAMED.
WilliamOfOrange
Emperor
Well, I agree that the politics and arrangement of the vote was pretty haphazard and subpar. I won´t debate the polotics of it, but will say that even the website was stupid. "To vote for __________ is a vote for love and beauty." "Choose ___________ if you vote for persistence and honour"
Blah Blah Blah....how stupid "vote in this contest for two stupid adjectives which hardly gives justice to the idea of a World Wonder."
Just the fact that Christ the Redeemer, SoL, Eiffel Tower and Sydney Opera House were even included pissed me off. The Statue of LIberty is the oldest, clocking in at over 100 years.
At least only one of these one, but really, come on. I have been there and seen it, and yes it is on top of a mountain. But it was built in 1931 and as mentioned before, no groundbreaking engineering feats or techniques helped in it´s construction. I think the Empire State Building or Sears Tower (which ever used to be the tallest skyscrapper), the CN Tower and Tapei 101 are FAR more impressive. There should have been a cut off for "modern" engineering. Even Taj Mahal is relatively young, but I can live with it.
What I cannot live with is that the Moai on Rapa Nui, known to most as Easter Island did not make it. Well, they did not have the population to back them up. It is truly sad. I spent a week there is June and was amazed at what they did and how far they dragged those statues. They were my first choice.
I am currently in Peru and did came back from Machu Picchu and I have no words to justify the incredible feat of building that city. Someone had commented that Machu Picchu did not deserve a spot and someone else said they ignorant. I would say for anyone saying something like that, that ignorance is not strong enough a word. You may not have the chance to see Machu Picchu or may not even care, but I would suggest doing a little research before saying stuff like that. This entire area is absolutely incredible when to realize what they accomplished and understood about construction.
Blah Blah Blah....how stupid "vote in this contest for two stupid adjectives which hardly gives justice to the idea of a World Wonder."
Just the fact that Christ the Redeemer, SoL, Eiffel Tower and Sydney Opera House were even included pissed me off. The Statue of LIberty is the oldest, clocking in at over 100 years.
At least only one of these one, but really, come on. I have been there and seen it, and yes it is on top of a mountain. But it was built in 1931 and as mentioned before, no groundbreaking engineering feats or techniques helped in it´s construction. I think the Empire State Building or Sears Tower (which ever used to be the tallest skyscrapper), the CN Tower and Tapei 101 are FAR more impressive. There should have been a cut off for "modern" engineering. Even Taj Mahal is relatively young, but I can live with it.
What I cannot live with is that the Moai on Rapa Nui, known to most as Easter Island did not make it. Well, they did not have the population to back them up. It is truly sad. I spent a week there is June and was amazed at what they did and how far they dragged those statues. They were my first choice.
I am currently in Peru and did came back from Machu Picchu and I have no words to justify the incredible feat of building that city. Someone had commented that Machu Picchu did not deserve a spot and someone else said they ignorant. I would say for anyone saying something like that, that ignorance is not strong enough a word. You may not have the chance to see Machu Picchu or may not even care, but I would suggest doing a little research before saying stuff like that. This entire area is absolutely incredible when to realize what they accomplished and understood about construction.
Mr.Pizza
Pizza Inc.
-Great Wall,CHINA
-Christ the Redeemer,BRAZIL
- St. Basil's(Kremlin),RUSSIA4-Pyramids,EGYPT
5-Chichén Itzá,PERU
6-The Taj Mahal,INDIA
7-Petra,Jordan
MarkM
Cow Herder
I know, that winning kinda tarnished the whole process. You can at least argue about the others.
When I voted I tried to think of what was iconic, but also, as you say, a groundbreaking achievement, or else the ultimate achievement of a civilization we don't have the detailed records of what came first (that is why I think the original list might have had the Great Pyramids on it instead of the Step Pyramid, what we now know today was the big leap that everything else was just refinements of). That's why I voted for Chichen Itza & Eiffel Tower (first major steel structure & tallest building in the world for many years). And why even though I am American, I did not vote for Statue of Liberty (but I might have voted for first US or Canadian transcontiental railroads had they been a choice).
The people of Brasil kinda embarrassed themselves here methinks. But maybe the whole point was $ and tourism to them, and so they don't care. The fact that even a BRAZILIAN voted for Rey Cristo over, say, the Acropolis, is ... sad.
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i have heard alot of talk ***not all in this thread/forum/site*** about how Egypt retained its status, and that it was going to lose its crown...
well... i just wanted to point out the fact that this was a NEW Wonders of the World, not, Lets RENAME the Ancient Wonders...
i think people are also forgetting about the 7 Wonders of the Natural World, which are actually one of my favorites
As for me, i think that the Wonders should have reflected not past history of a country *which would be more Ancient Wonders*, but symbolise the Modern Superpowers/cultural Achievements
that is why i wanted the New Wonders of the World to be, ***WITH ALL BAD THOUGHTS ASIDE!!!***
1-Statue of Liberty-for the diversity and integrity of America
2-Kremlin/St. Basils Square-for the strenght of the Russia/USSR
3-Neuchwanstein Castle-for the efficiency of the German Empire
4-Sydney Opera House-for the cultural rebirth of the Pacific Culture
5-Taj Mahal*-for the divine right of love
6-Christ Redeemer*-for the recognition of God
7-Eiffel Tower*-for the enlightenment, and advancement
*-See bottom of post
not only a landmark, but something of SOME cultural value to the world, which is 100% reason why the Statue of Liberty SHOULD have been on there, because it may not be helping all that much now, but look at the value that the United States has contributed to the world, and the Statue of Liberty symbolises that
sorry to burst your bubble, but Chichen Itza is in Mexico, buddy
PS-that thing about Divine right to love and the Taj Mahal, it was first a Mousoleum (spelling?)
PPS-that thing about enlightenment and advancement, i believe the Eiffel Tower was planned to be used as a Docking Station for Zepellin's, which was something that was Unheard of, as Flight was something no one really thought would be big
PPPS-Sorry to all non-Christians, that is just a Christian Monument
PPPPS-if i am wrong, at least it sounded nice
well... i just wanted to point out the fact that this was a NEW Wonders of the World, not, Lets RENAME the Ancient Wonders...
i think people are also forgetting about the 7 Wonders of the Natural World, which are actually one of my favorites
As for me, i think that the Wonders should have reflected not past history of a country *which would be more Ancient Wonders*, but symbolise the Modern Superpowers/cultural Achievements
that is why i wanted the New Wonders of the World to be, ***WITH ALL BAD THOUGHTS ASIDE!!!***
1-Statue of Liberty-for the diversity and integrity of America
2-Kremlin/St. Basils Square-for the strenght of the Russia/USSR
3-Neuchwanstein Castle-for the efficiency of the German Empire
4-Sydney Opera House-for the cultural rebirth of the Pacific Culture
5-Taj Mahal*-for the divine right of love
6-Christ Redeemer*-for the recognition of God
7-Eiffel Tower*-for the enlightenment, and advancement
*-See bottom of post
not only a landmark, but something of SOME cultural value to the world, which is 100% reason why the Statue of Liberty SHOULD have been on there, because it may not be helping all that much now, but look at the value that the United States has contributed to the world, and the Statue of Liberty symbolises that
sorry to burst your bubble, but Chichen Itza is in Mexico, buddy
PS-that thing about Divine right to love and the Taj Mahal, it was first a Mousoleum (spelling?)
PPS-that thing about enlightenment and advancement, i believe the Eiffel Tower was planned to be used as a Docking Station for Zepellin's, which was something that was Unheard of, as Flight was something no one really thought would be big
PPPS-Sorry to all non-Christians, that is just a Christian Monument
PPPPS-if i am wrong, at least it sounded nice
100-150 years ago, Great Britain was THE Superpower of the World (The "efficient" German Empire was twice defeated, remember?)..........so how about something from them? British Museum, Windsor Castle, Tower Of London/Tower Bridge, Big Ben/Houses Of Parliament, Royal Albert Hall, St. Paul's Cathedral?
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