The Official God FAQ

[MobBoss]

Teen pregnancy doesn't have to ruin a teen's life. In fact, it often just makes the tough parts tougher. But the life isn't ruined.

OTOH, abuse CAN ruin a life. Whether the person is abused, or abused drugs.

I agree Teen Pregnacy doesnt have to ruin a teens life, but please, lets be honest and admit that it can.

Its also apparent that use of illegal drugs doesnt have to ruin a teens life either. How many here smoked a bit of MJ in their teen years, but turned out ok? However, I agree that illegal drug use can lead to abuse and addiction which certainly can ruin a persons life as well.

And once more, neither of these situations benefit society in any appreciable form. In fact, both tend to create a burden upon society with negative effects.

 

[warpus]

I my opinion, pre-marital sex and illegal drug use are neither condusive to the overall betterment of society, but rather simply cater to the desires of the individual. And both have far more negatives involved in each case than positive returns.

I dunno about that; I've improved the lives of several members of society with acts of pre-marital sex

 

[carlosMM]

You dont think a teen pregnancy can ruin a kids life just like drugs can?

a) no, not in a sound society. Given the American trend to add harm to pregnancy, if it is before marriage, instead of heloping the teens, I'd say you are correct though.
b) only moronic sex ed leads to such high teen preg rates as in your country. The worst rate, btw, comes form abstinence-only sex ed. Go figure.

I my opinion, pre-marital sex and illegal drug use are neither condusive to the overall betterment of society, but rather simply cater to the desires of the individual. And both have far more negatives involved in each case than positive returns.

I love it how abstinence-only supporters equate drug-induced psychosis with children! You must really hate those pink little things that happen to be HUMANS !!!!!!!

 

[carlosMM]

I agree Teen Pregnacy doesnt have to ruin a teens life, but please, lets be honest and admit that it can.

Sure, so can a meteorite strike.

Its also apparent that use of illegal drugs doesnt have to ruin a teens life either. How many here smoked a bit of MJ in their teen years, but turned out ok? However, I agree that illegal drug use can lead to abuse and addiction which certainly can ruin a persons life as well.

Yeah, and now that you have relativized everything, you conveniently ignor ethe fact that there's probability to figure in, too.

Please show me how many drug abusers PROFITED from their drug abuse, compared to the number of humans who profited from a teen having a kid..... Lemme give you a hint: your anti-childism makes you blind to the joy of having kids without the preacher's approval. Also, the mothers usually are happy to have the kid, and in any society that takes proper care, the teens PROFIT fomr the kid. They WERE irresponsible and thus got pregnant, but they learn.

And once more, neither of these situations benefit society in any appreciable form. In fact, both tend to create a burden upon society with negative effects.

This is nothing but pure religious hate directed at underage children and babies. Shame on you!

 

[Birdjaguar]

If only homosexual sex was permitted before marriage we could eliminate the whole pregnant teen thing.

 

[MobBoss]

I love it how abstinence-only supporters equate drug-induced psychosis with children! You must really hate those pink little things that happen to be HUMANS !!!!!!!

Uhm...clue to you CarlosMM, I have never said I support abstinence-only sex ed. So you are wrong on that point.

your anti-childism

Anti-childism? WTH does that mean? I mean really...I got three teen-age daughters of my own. rofl. I am hardly...anti-child.

This is nothing but pure religious hate directed at underage children and babies. Shame on you!

Hehe, Carlos, you funny guy you. Always good for a laugh.

 

[onejayhawk]

I have said, any God worthy of fearing the absence of would judge our final fate on our morality, not our faith and ritual directed at him.

Why? That seems entirely inconsistent with any reasonable concept of "God" and "Forgiveness."

Concerning ritual, I think that that is more for the worshipper than God, but that's just my opinion. Faith is another issue. You seem to think that no reasonable God would want worship. You will have to explain that one to me. It seems very counterintuitive.

J

 

[MrCynical]

Why? That seems entirely inconsistent with any reasonable concept of "God" and "Forgiveness."

As I've said, I take the view that any genuine God would be above pride, envy, and pathetic ego-massaging. He'd judge and forgive us based on our actions, not how much we suck up to him.

Concerning ritual, I think that that is more for the worshipper than God

I quite agree.

 

[Markus6]

He'd judge and forgive us based on our actions, not how much we suck up to him.

God does not judge us on how much we worship him. The two are completely unrelated. If we were judged on our actions then to reach God's standards we'd all fall short. Forgiving us on our actions makes no sense (i.e. "I'll only forgive you if there's nothing to forgive").

 

[MrCynical]

God does not judge us on how much we worship him.

I agree.

If we were judged on our actions then to reach God's standards we'd all fall short. Forgiving us on our actions makes no sense (i.e. "I'll only forgive you if there's nothing to forgive").

I'm somewhat baffled by this comment. You first say that no one's actions would reach the standards of God (fair enough). But then you claim that forgiving us based on our actions makes no sense? What on earth else is he going to forgive us for? Your comment about "I'll only forgive you if there's nothing to forgive" makes absolutely no sense. You've said in the same paragraph that everyone has something to be forgiven for. If someone did somehow lead a sinless life they shouldn't need to be forgiven, but you've said that's impossible. Fine, but then its only those with sinful actions to be forgiven that need that forgiveness.

 

[Markus6]

I'm somewhat baffled by this comment. You first say that no one's actions would reach the standards of God (fair enough). But then you claim that forgiving us based on our actions makes no sense? What on earth else is he going to forgive us for? Your comment about "I'll only forgive you if there's nothing to forgive" makes absolutely no sense. You've said in the same paragraph that everyone has something to be forgiven for. If someone did somehow lead a sinless life they shouldn't need to be forgiven, but you've said that's impossible. Fine, but then its only those with sinful actions to be forgiven that need that forgiveness.

Sorry, when you said he'd forgive us based on our actions I though you meant he'd only forgive us if our actions were good enough. God forgives us 'sins' (for want of a better word) regardless of how bad we may have been.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Indeed, by definition forgiveness is something undeserved. Forgiveness is not saying, "I see how it wasn't your fault that you sinned and I won't hold it against you." That is simple justice. Firgiveness is saying, "You screwed up. You have no excuse for what you did. I have every right to hold this against you. But I won't."

 

[Birdjaguar]

Indeed, by definition forgiveness is something undeserved. Forgiveness is not saying, "I see how it wasn't your fault that you sinned and I won't hold it against you." That is simple justice. Firgiveness is saying, "You screwed up. You have no excuse for what you did. I have every right to hold this against you. But I won't."

Forgiveness is another way of forgetting and saying "I love you."

 

[Sidhe]

Sometimes you just feel like ripping into someone or punching someone on the nose and calling them a jerk, but you don't and that's forgiveness, overcoming the stupidity that leads to hate, being the better man; it's not an easy thing to learn, but it is an empowering thing to forgive, both for you and those who benefit by example.

To err is human to forgive is divine.

 

[hahntsak]

Forgiveness may be divine, but constantly expecting to demand forgiveness from everyone around you for the things your actions with little regard for their consequences is nothing short of an abomination. For-Give-ness the key is it must be a gift. It cannot really be demanded. One cannot order anyone else to forgive anyone. You may ask, but cannot command it. Demanding it implies a lack of respect in the one being asked.

Also it is not a complete blank slate, it is merely not requiring any atonement. A mass of deeds may be forgiven, but they are not always forgotten. Some folks think they can demand a blank slate over and over again intent on re-commiting the same vile deeds expecting to wipe the slate clean and repeat ad infinitum. This makes them quite the unwelcome soul.

Some believe that an innocent paid the atonement for them. That's the tally between them and their God. The world of humans may be a little more hardnosed. Some believe that bad actions may be paid for in another lifetime. And bad situations are a result of a previous lifetime's misdeeds. but lining up the tallies may be difficult in such a system.