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civ2 is giving creationists a bad name.
The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Three: The Return of the KOing!
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Those aren't really answerable questions, because species boundaries among bacteria are nebulous things, and the borders between genera, families, and orders wholly arbitrary.Eran of Arcadia said:
Can it be answered for other organisms? I suppose it can, as we can date the oldest known mammal, or primate, or ape, etc.
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We can date the oldest known mammal, etc, but the definition of "mammal" is arbitrary. (In fact, there are two rival definitions of Mammalia in the literature, the more inclusive of which includes a large variety of organisms excluded by the other one.)
That's not really a strait answer, by I'll try to work with it.civ2 said:Souron
No I wasn't taught THAT.
In different countries we have different school systems.
1. Earth is round.
Read on Magellan and some others and then observe an ant rounding an apple.
2. Gravity.
Jump out of the window...
And be lucky to write here the day after.
3. Electricity.
Put two wet fingers into an open TV set.
Ever tasted roasted meat?
4. etc.
Now explainations:
1. Simple similarity in actions.
2. Obvious effects of an unknown force.
3. Same as 2.
1. You can argue that the earth is round like an apple. But there are other explanations for how a person when one way and returned from another. Perhalps there is a magic doorway on the other side that leads back to the bigining, like the Celtic belief in portals to otherworldly realms. Perhalps the world is actually flat, but there is a gate that sends people to the other side. Even if the world is round, how do you know it is round like an apple and not round like a wheel?
Question: So can you tell me, at the time why was it rationalized that the world was round like an apple?
2. Gravity is there obviously. But did you know gravity is a constant force such that the speed of a falling object increases at a constant rate of about 10 meters per second?
Question: Do you believe me? Why?
3. Electrisity was there long before TV sets. In fact you need knowlege of electrisity to build a TV. I cannot connect this to the scientific meathod.
4. Science about the present is one thing, but science also seeks to explain things of the past.
Question: How do you judge an explanation of what happended somewhere where you were not present? How do you determine what really happened after hereing everybody's story?
Did I bother?classical_hero said:
Dude, I traveled around the world doing nothing but 'looking at', as you call it, fossil skeletons, whales and protowhales among them.
And no, it is not a 'land-based' animal (you make it sound like an aircraft: can land on a carrier or not
). It quite clearly shows adaptations that are NOT typical for terrestial mammals, e.g. proportions of the limbs, shape of the femoral and humeral heads, size and weight distribution of the skull, shape of the snout etc.No, that is someone argueing creationism without defining 'kind'.
as usual, you fail to answer. Can't you give a definition in YOUR OWN words?
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OK, civ2, I had wanted to ignore your yadda-yadda, but this one takes the cake.
Lemme give you a 'few' examples of whole skeletons, only dinosaurs, and only what by chance happenes to be on my laptop:
I could go on for hours.....
or, e.g., go here:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/dino/overview.html
Go there, move your butt there and see for yourself!
Have you ever tried for yourself?
maybe it is beyond your education, but intelligence alone should tell you that bones are shaped to fulfill functions. Thus, joints fit together, so you can easily see what bone goes where and in what position
Indeed - LEGO pieces are not shaped for certain functions....
BS! but then, what should we expect from someone who has no clue and wants to continue to have no clue? Why don't you educate yourself?
Come on, cook a chicken, bone it, then sit down wiht the bones and see whether you can re-assemble them. Try to make them fight nice and snugly togehter.... you'll be surprised!
Carlos - is that first picture really bones found in the original rock? They look like they're in plaster, and they seem much too clean compared to the other bones in your pictures.
Azash - what about the billiard, trilliard, quadrilliard, etc.?
Anyway, we skip all the 'iards' numbers and the system we're using here is the 'llion' system only.
Anyway, we skip all the 'iards' numbers and the system we're using here is the 'llion' system only.
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It is like the imperial/metrical system. The second one makes more sense, so most of the civilized world use it.
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In Sweden, where we do it the Right Way 
, we use the alternating -illions. and -illiards.
The nifty part is billion=million^2, trillion=million^3, quadrillion=million^4, centillion=million^100, ... you get the pattern.
, we use the alternating -illions. and -illiards.The nifty part is billion=million^2, trillion=million^3, quadrillion=million^4, centillion=million^100, ... you get the pattern.
Thorgalaeg
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Same here.
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Not as a fixed expression, no. How so?Azash said:
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