The Only Republican Plan Is To Destroy Democrats, Not Solve Problems

[Gilder]

I certainly believe they have the right to obstruct all they want, but I just don't see why they do it so much. It's short term thinking at its worst and they are screwing themselves by ignoring policy for politics.

They aren't screwing themselves. Their base will vote for them, as will the Democrats' and the undecided voters will ebb and flow to both sides as they do every cycle.

Its the country they end up screwing in the end.

 

[MobBoss]

Fine. 5% of Democrats do what 100% or Republicans do and it's exactly the same thing.

Your percentages are just made up.

The problem here is you simply cant bring yourself to admit the obvious. While there are differences between the GOP and the Dems on a great many issues, they BOTH experience fraud, unethical behavior, scandals, etc. etc. at pretty much the same rate.

Thats because politicians are simply politicians regardless of their flavor.

 

[Cutlass]

Your percentages are just made up.

The problem here is you simply cant bring yourself to admit the obvious. While there are differences between the GOP and the Dems on a great many issues, they BOTH experience fraud, unethical behavior, scandals, etc. etc. at pretty much the same rate.

Thats because politicians are simply politicians regardless of their flavor.

Nice way to move the goalposts when losing an argument. Go back and read what was written before pretending to respond to something that was not part of the argument.

 

[LightFang]

I absolutely believe its true. The democrats arent any better (or worse) than the republicans in this regard. To assert otherwise is simply incorrect.

The Fallacy of Gray.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/mm/the_fallacy_of_gray/

Everything is shades of gray, but there are shades of gray so light as to be very nearly white, and shades of gray so dark as to be very nearly black. Or even if not, we can still compare shades, and say "it is darker" or "it is lighter".

 

[JohnRM]

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/146277



Do you guys feel that this is true? It seems really biased to me, but then again, I was either a kid, an embryo, or not even a thought during all this. The flow and the arguments sound right to me.

Convince me otherwise, CFC OT! I want to believe that the Republicans can't be this bad!

Sorry, but it seems to be true. There are a few good Republicans out there, but the party line is to oppose the Democrats at all costs. Sad, but true.

 

[Phrossack]

I absolutely believe its true. The democrats arent any better (or worse) than the republicans in this regard. To assert otherwise is simply incorrect.

In other words, if someone does something wrong, you are automatically justified in doing it yourself. What an absolutely horrible argument.

 

[Miles Teg]

Your percentages are just made up.

Really Mobby? People keep citing you a very real statistic (Republicans have held twice as many filibusters as Democrats), and you jump on the guy making rhetorical statements?

Yeah, the numbers were wrong. But at least he offered something.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Seems like a good plan. *burp*

 

[MobBoss]

Nice way to move the goalposts when losing an argument.

Pointing out that you are making stuff up isnt moving goalposts. Nor am I losing this argument. You have failed to make your point and thus resort to making things up.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Your percentages are just made up.

The problem here is you simply cant bring yourself to admit the obvious. While there are differences between the GOP and the Dems on a great many issues, they BOTH experience fraud, unethical behavior, scandals, etc. etc. at pretty much the same rate.

Thats because politicians are simply politicians regardless of their flavor.

Democrates really need to wake up given the last eight years of corruption, incompetence and sexual scandals.

Looks like its the wilderness for the democrates since their oviously blind to reality.

EDIT: At least republicans will fix things up, unpopular, tough, competent but will be voted out of power once they fixed up the country.

 

[Cutlass]

Pointing out that you are making stuff up isnt moving goalposts. Nor am I losing this argument. You have failed to make your point and thus resort to making things up.

But we were not talking about corruption. Every group with power in history has corruption. But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the behavior of Republicans in Congress and their 100% obstruction of governance.

 

[LightFang]

Pointing out that you are making stuff up isnt moving goalposts. Nor am I losing this argument. You have failed to make your point and thus resort to making things up.

I think simply saying that he has failed to make his point doesn't prove it, especially since the people on his side of the argument also have statistics of some sort, to back it up. It's true that although the fact that Republicans are holding twice as many filibusters as Democrats isn't proof that they're twice as obstructive, the fact that it's pretty unthinkable for a bill to pass with 100% no Democratic votes as well as the fact that whenever Obama proposes something that the Republicans previously supported it is shouted down as "liberal" leave something more than just a whiff of air in my mind.

 

[BSmith1068]

Hey MobBoss – How many votes did the Democratic minority oppose a Republican bill by 100% during the Bush years? How many votes have the Republicans opposed a bill by 100% since the Democrats took over congress?

 

[MobBoss]

But we were not talking about corruption. Every group with power in history has corruption. But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the behavior of Republicans in Congress and their 100% obstruction of governance.

One. Part of the reason behind this was the dems having the magic number 60 for Obamas first year. They treated the GOP like they didnt need them - which they really didnt while they had 60 votes in the Senate. Well, the number of seats changed, but the Dem attitude hasnt really changed yet, and instead of trying to deal with the GOP they are still just working around them. In consideration of this, why shouldnt the GOP be 'obstructionist' to legislation they dont agree with and are treated as unecessary?

Two. The behavior of the GOP isnt any different than the behavior of the Democrats when majorities are reversed. Remember not long ago how everyone was shocked that a single GOP politician could hold up so much and it was claimed that had never happened before....until people actually checked the record and found Harry Reid had precisely done the very same thing before? Yeah. That.

 

[Oerdin]

Do you guys feel that this is true?

It's absolutely true. The Republicans haven't put forward any ideas and they've simply filibustered EVERYTHING, I do mean everything, just so they can claim Congress never accomplishes anything. Even when Democrats put forward things Republicans claim they were for, which Republicans campaigned on, (like restoring the pay as you go rules from the 1990's) the Republicans suddenly flip a 180 and filibuster it. Republicans simply have no ideas and no plans other then being obstructionist.

That's why they deserve to stay in the minority. Force the bastards to actually start coming up with new ideas and do something positive before we, the American people, can accept them back as a serious part of the political discussion.

 

[Aegis]

Dems wouldn't be as bad as the Repubs. To be critical of a Republican administration is to commit treason. To be critical of a Democratic administration is to be a patriot.

Fixed.

There's no internal consistency. There's no external consistency. There's no principled stance against anything. There is no honesty... it's just been one long campaign tactic since Obama was elected. And the previous election was the most disgusting I've ever seen and the lowest I've seen any political party go in my adult lifetime. What the candidates actually said was bitter, scornful, divisive, not to mention slanderous and factually wrong to a huge degree. I expected better of McCain, who I'd never seen sink so far before.

I agree with this 100%. After learning that McCain hired the smear-master who tore him apart him so badly in 2000, I knew that he was going to be running a dirty campaign, but I was shocked at how utterly disgusting it eventually became. His campaign of lies and disinformation completely turned me off of his campaign and I refused to vote for him because of it.

OT, I have never witnessed any previous congress which has behaved how the Republicans are right now. They are solely playing politics and doing everything that they can to discredit the democrats and sabotage their efforts so the republicans can point to the self-inflicted failure and win back power, instead of doing what is best for the country. The sad thing is that the republicans believe that only what they do is what's best for the country, so the ends justify the means.