The thing that irks me most about Sherlock Holmes screen adaptations

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I've read almost all Sherlock books when I was young. In fact, I returned to these books at least once.

What irks me most about screen adaptations of Sherlock Holmes is that they completely misrepresent why he was successful as a detective. They usually portray him as a genius, almost at the level of a savant or mystic seer, often also as an arrogant individual, fully willing to display his alleged intellectual superiority. That's Hercul Poirot, not Sherlock Holmes.

There are in fact three key components to Sherlock's success, all equally represented in the books, and all three fit perfectly with even the most advanced conteporary detective / espionage methods we see today:

1. Using reasoning based on evidence to reach conclusions. This needs to be put into context: this was *not* the norm in Victorian England, but was becoming popular.

2. Dedication to his vocation. He trained, acquired knowledge and proactively sought out whatever he needed to succeed in his task. Even if it meant sacrificing everything else: friendships, private life, health etc. Also, in the books, this was not portrayed as a virtue. He was often criticized and he often self-criticized about this, because sometimes it was effective for the one thing he needed, but proved detrimental for the case as a whole. As with reasoning and evidence, this trait is rare even today, let alone in the Victorian era, when the dominant social structure was based on class. "It doesn't matter who you are, but how capable you are."

3. His extreme sensibility to social context. This is perhaps the thing that most adaptations completely miss. Victorian England was a two-class system: the upper and the lower class. In the books, it's very clearly defined that his demeanor is constantly shifting so that you can never tell to which class he belongs, and he was dipping into both worlds when needed. His use of the lower class: servants, stable boys, beggars, valets, thieves. He had an extensive network of informants the upper class would treat as invisible, unseen people. He infiltrated both the lower and upper class, often using props and disguise . In the modern world, one could say he was a hacker. The way he was able to gather information and infiltrate locations was the reason why he was so successful when cases were in London and why it was such a hit-and-miss when outside of London (for example, Hound of the Baskervilles, playing out in the countryside, strains his other abilities, since he has no network of informants to rely on). It's also very important to say that the exaggeration of his intellectual abilities was in large part to hide and protect his information network. He might claim "I just deduced it!" and give a semi-believeable explanation, when in fact he meticulously gathered real information elsewhere.

Af all the adaptations, I'm afraid to say Elementary by CBS is the one I consider closest to the general idea of who Sherlock Holmes is and what these stories are about. Even if I don't always agree with the screenwriters, at least I can confidently say they read and truly understood the source material.
 
I've heard good things about Elementary in general. I never watched BBC's Sherlock and despite not wanting to be high-minded about what is essentially entertainment TV, kinda glad I skipped on it.

I do like the Guy Ritchie films though. RDJ was portrayed as a bit of a genius, but it stepped through his reasoning based on evidence far better than the small snippets of BBC's Sherlock seemed to. It also nailed 2, imo, to the extent that his relationship with Jude Law's Watson was central to both of the movies. I think it did 3 alright, but given that it was a Guy Ritchie movie, it wasn't really focusing on the class aspect of the optics with any real depth.
 
There are very few (probably just two) SH stories I have read, so I don't have enough to form a view.
As for BBC's Sherlock, it appears to have been detested by the end.
 
Ok, but John Cleese pretty much nailed it, right?
Spoiler Holmes brilliantly deducting who's the real Dr. Watson :
 
My biggest irk about Holmes, on screen or otherwise, is when he is said to have deduced things. His reasoning is abductive (i.e this this the best explanation given the evidence), not deductive (i.e. this conculsion is a logical neccesity given the premises). But then I do enjoy being pedantic....
 
My biggest irk about Holmes, on screen or otherwise, is when he is said to have deduced things. His reasoning is abductive (i.e this this the best explanation given the evidence), not deductive (i.e. this conculsion is a logical neccesity given the premises). But then I do enjoy being pedantic....
There was a nice post by @Plotinus on this, some time ago, where he juxtaposed two famous quotes from Doyle and Lovecraft. One about what remains when you have eliminated the impossible, the other the opening paragraph of Call of Cthulhu.
 
I liked the modern adaptations, but IMO they were made to be profitable and interesting for modern watchers and have little to do with the original text.
You can try a bit older Soviet adaptation if you haven't already, it is considered to be closer to the original.
In the West, the reception of the series was warm, especially in the United Kingdom. British critics have pointed out that the creators of the series have treated the original source with due care and respect, and have successfully transferred the atmosphere of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's works.[15][16][17][18] In 2006, Vasily Livanov became an Honorary MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire) — "For service to the theatre and performing arts".
 
The thing that always most annoys me is Holmes being shown to be consistently rude, antisocial, haughty, and generally completely unable to fit in with other people. “Sherlock” took this to extremes but even the Jeremy Brett version did so too. But in the books, although Holmes is like that to some degree, he’s also witty, friendly, and funny. He laughs a lot in the books, but he rarely does so in adaptations. Doyle’s Holmes is someone you can imagine Watson wanting to spend his time with, but this is not so much with TV versions.

His detection style is obviously impossible in real life. It’s worth reading the John Thorndyke books by Austin Freeman, which were written partly as a sort of antidote to Holmes. Thorndyke does know the difference between deduction and induction and is careful never to “deduce” more than can actually be known from the evidence. (He’s still impossible, because he’s generally helped by wildly unlikely coincidences, but at least he himself is more believable than Holmes.) Unfortunately to appreciate Thorndyke, who is a genuinely engaging character, you do have to wade through the endless romantic subplots and alarmingly regressive social views which Austin, as a very old-fashioned (even for the time) Edwardian, feels obliged to insert into all his stories.
 
There is Father Brown, whose adventures do suffer from wild coincidences too some of the time, but can be entertaining in a few of the most known stories. As for Holmes, the only story which I have read and have seen parts of adapted in BBC's Sherlock is Scandal in Bohemia. While imo the original story is also quite superficial (but aren't all Doyle's Holmes stories such?), it is very impressive that this adaptation was grossly unfaithful to the plot, with the main character (Irene Adler) even losing to Holmes. Still, the text has front and center the aforementioned element of utilizing camouflage.
Borges was of the opinion (iirc) that Chesterton's was a closer tribute to the prototypical short-story detective, in Poe's work. It's not by accident that Poe's amateur detective solved a very unusual case - Murders in the Rue Morgue - and although the very first Father Brown story is pretty farcical and convoluted, some of his best do have some elegance.
 
Chesterton is always worth reading. And of course with Father Brown the mystery, and the solution of the mystery, are never really the main point of the story.

Certainly Conan Doyle is more explicit in his imitation of Poe. Holmes refers to the Murders in the Rue Morgue more than once and consciously imitates the detective. Conan Doyle's key innovation was to make the detective an interesting character in his own right, where for Poe he's just a plot device. I always thought that Conan Doyle's great mistake (if it was a mistake) was to create a character who is more interesting, and cleverer, than the author himself. Very rarely does he concoct a mystery that's actually worthy of Holmes' supposed abilities. Agatha Christie is the author to go for for that, as her mysteries are always fiendishly clever, and Poirot (though not Miss Marple, in my opinion) is also an interesting character who is conceived as a sort of anti-Holmes, since his methods are (supposedly) completely different.

I still like Dorothy Sayers the best though. There you have fiendish plots and a likeable and interesting detective, and good writing to boot. And she can hold her own against Chesterton with the theology too.

BTW shouldn't this be in Arts and Entertainment?
 
I am not sure about Christie. Some of the stories I liked, but others - including famous novels - I was disappointed by. The only novel I read was the ABC murders, which is a bit too unbelievable with the mental traits of the fall guy. Then again, I suppose this isn't miles away from things like the Moonstone (which I haven't read, but know the synopsis). What I do like in Christie is that very often you have what first appears to be a critical element, revealed as having been secondary (eg in After the Funeral and 4.50 from Paddington; of course ABC Murders is also an example of this). Christie has romances to fill the plot (and typically serve as motive), but that is a bane in many other detective story writers too.
Personally, I do prefer Borges' "detective" (they aren't that really) stories, because they don't even pretend for a second to be other than a vehicle for a plot which aspires to be elegant. The best example would be the Al Mutasim story (which was his first important short story), but the Bokhari/labyrinth one and Death and the Compass are more explicitly tied to detective work. The latter is a bit too one-note perhaps, since it serves to show the error of believing on your own theories too much, and imo is certainly the weakest of the three.
I haven't read any of Pessoa's detective stores. Back in the day they weren't translated to Greek. I may try finding some in English. At the very least, I expect no romance there ^^
 
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I think you should check these:
A different, a Star Trek TNG, take on Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty.
I find them really entertaining!
 
Yes, those are great episodes!

Though they do remind me of another thing that annoys me about adaptations, which is making Moriarty a major character and ongoing nemesis for Holmes. He only appears in one story, and even there he hardly actually appears. (Another example of Conan Doyle creating an idea which he couldn't really execute - he has Holmes talk about this ongoing battle of wits between himself and Moriarty, without actually describing what it involves, I suspect because he simply couldn't think of it!)
 
So why was Holmes such a hit? Was it another progression of the Penny Dreadful stories - similar in a way to Collins? But at least Collins was a better writer, and he remained a footnote in global literature (though afaik extremely popular in England at the time).
 
Because for all his faults, Conan Doyle was a fun writer, and he managed to create a character who was truly compelling. There's a reason the Sherlock Holmes stories are still widely read today to a degree unheard of in any other popular literature of that period.
 
Because for all his faults, Conan Doyle was a fun writer, and he managed to create a character who was truly compelling. There's a reason the Sherlock Holmes stories are still widely read today to a degree unheard of in any other popular literature of that period.
So is it just that Father Brown isn't conventionally charming? I can't imagine those stories (if they somehow appeared before Holmes, which of course is impossible for more than the obvious reason) getting to be that popular.
It's why I mentioned the penny dreadful angle; those works aren't known for literary merit either (and yet today they aren't known, period).
 
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The Horror of the Heights was a pretty low-level Doyle (non-Holmes) story, and likely the only such I have read.
The main idea wasn't terrible - though soon to be made obsolete by advances in aircraft abilities - but the writing was.
 
So is it just that Father Brown isn't conventionally charming? I can't imagine those stories (if they somehow appeared before Holmes, which of course is impossible for more than the obvious reason) getting to be that popular.
It's why I mentioned the penny dreadful angle; those works aren't known for literary merit either (and yet today they aren't known, period).
I don't know why Chesterton isn't more popular today. I suppose it's because there's always a religious angle to everything he writes. Plus of course the Holmes stories have the (to us) romantic setting of Victorian London, while Chesterton suffers from being somewhat later. Although that doesn't stop Christie from continuing to be popular, of course.

The other Conan Doyle that's still widely read today is The Lost World (featuring one of the most memorable bridge crossings in all literature), but although it's good, it's not as good as Holmes (and more overtly morally problematic).
 
I don't know why Chesterton isn't more popular today. I suppose it's because there's always a religious angle to everything he writes. Plus of course the Holmes stories have the (to us) romantic setting of Victorian London, while Chesterton suffers from being somewhat later. Although that doesn't stop Christie from continuing to be popular, of course.

The other Conan Doyle that's still widely read today is The Lost World (featuring one of the most memorable bridge crossings in all literature), but although it's good, it's not as good as Holmes (and more overtly morally problematic).

Interestingly, though, Father Brown inspired a Jewish series, the "Rabbi Small" books published in the sixties. 've read one of them and enjoyed it, though I don't know how broad an audience they reached: the one I read was written to have appeal to those who aren't Jewish, as the rabbi explaining Jewish traditions and culture is a running part of the novel. Still have yet to try the Father Brown books despite an affection for Chesterton.
 
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