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I have a suspicion that various 3-letter agencies knew about this in real time. Did the article go into that?
Edit: It did; they did know instantly.
I have a suspicion that various 3-letter agencies knew about this in real time. Did the article go into that?
I have a suspicion that various 3-letter agencies knew about this in real time. Did the article go into that?
Edit: It did; they did know instantly.
In fact Boeing and Airbus have been even by about a decade or more with a slight advantage for Airbus in number of orders and a slight advantage for Boeing in number of deliveries mostly due to A380 issues and cancellations ( juggernauts don't fit airlines post-crisis cheapo philosophy, excepting Emirates that has lots of money to buy the most luxurious toys).I got so mad that I had to stop reading the article that The New Yorker wrote (and the Seattle Times story it references) on the Boeing 737 Max certification process. This would be a massive scandal but with this administration, it's just Monday. Heads should roll.
This is the kind of thing that brings down industries. Regulatory capture is ugly no matter where it happens but in particularly dangerous here. The US has such a massive advantage in aerospace not only because our companies are good, but because the FAA is that good. It sets the standard the world follows and if everyone's lost faith in it then there goes some of American aerospace's competitive advantage. Airlines buy Boeing/SpaceX/Whatever in large part because they can count on the FAA holding it to the highest standards in the world.
Only they're not anymore.
Flawed analysis, failed oversight: How Boeing, FAA certified the suspect 737 MAX flight control system
Originally published March 17, 2019 at 6:00 am Updated March 17, 2019 at 12:06 pm
https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...-max-system-implicated-in-the-lion-air-crash/
In fact Boeing and Airbus have been even by about a decade or more with a slight advantage for Airbus in number of orders and a slight advantage for Boeing in number of deliveries mostly due to A380 issues and cancellations ( juggernauts don't fit airlines post-crisis cheapo philosophy, excepting Emirates that has lots of money to buy the most luxurious toys).
The question is if this scandal will make airlines cancel its 737 Max orders (which makes for most of current Boeing orders) and order A320neo instead, with Boeing definitely falling behind Airbus. And if that happens, will Airbus be able to double its production in time, or will a third player appear, maybe a Chinese third player?
A most enlightening post.
Another instance of astounding arrogance by software engineers thinking that pilots are incompetent and
cannot be trained to fly the new version of the 737 with the more forward located engines, so we will just
add a few lines of code to pretend that it is the old plane, and we won't bother to tell them about it.
If the piloting community had been told and had the opportunity to work through scenarios with the developers,
the flaws (which are so damned obvious even I can understand them) would no doubt have been quickly found out.
I have been told by a CEO to my face that there is such a small number of true decision makers in this industry that if you piss off one, you will never work in it again. I think he was partially bluffing/bragging but I did not think he was lying either.I get the impression that commercial airliner manufacturing industry has enough concentration of market power to make a few CEOs able to effectively blacklist people too. A powerful incentive not to blow the whistle.
I get the impression that commercial airliner manufacturing industry has enough concentration of market power to make a few CEOs able to effectively blacklist people too. A powerful incentive not to blow the whistle.
Read today that original edition of Boeing-737 was the most unsafe mass produced passenger plane, by crash statistics.
2-nd and 3-rd unsafest were Soviet Il-76 and Tu-154
4-th is Airbus A-310
By average number of flight hours per crash.Is that percentage wise, or just that there is a hell of a lot of them out there, and many of them remained in service until they were pretty old individuals?
Trying to extract conclusions about model safety through simple crash statistic is risky at best and not useful at all at worst. Number of crashes are too few and causes are to many, and most crashes have nothing to do with the aircraft itself, human factor being the cause. it is needed to study case by case.Read today that original edition of Boeing-737 was the most unsafe mass produced passenger plane, by crash statistics.
2-nd and 3-rd unsafest were Soviet Il-76 and Tu-154
4-th is Airbus A-310
The day before the Lion Air crash, there was an identical incident that nearly ended in disaster. An off-duty pilot who happened to be aboard rushed to the cockpit and was able to diagnose the faulty sensor/faulty MCAS system and was able to show the pilots how to turn it off and save the aircraft.