The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Manfred Belheim]

It's perfectly reasonable when the "people" in question have a history of, like Trump, making statements that are utterly demented with no trace of irony or humor.

You think it's reasonable to default to that? As in before even looking at the evidence? How charitable.

Also in this specific case it's laughable to think that someone like Commodore is going to suddenly backpedal on his opinions due to peer pressure on an internet forum. Like he's been fine with the pushback on 999 previous occasions, but the 1000th time is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back? And that's ignoring the fact that it seemed quite clearly to be a joke in the first place.

How long have you been on the internet ffs?

What bearing would that have on thinking it's depressing to assert that people are incapable of expressing or divining humour through text without resorting to inserting literal illustrations?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You think it's reasonable to default to that? As in before even looking at the evidence? How charitable.

This is a long established point of disagreement. For whatever reason you always insist that prior behavior doesn't count as "evidence." As if every time a well known troll starts trolling we should all give the the benefit of the doubt until they have gone on long enough to establish the facts of the individual posting. This is NOT really an anonymous forum. "Manfred Belheim" may be just a screen name and not directly connected to you as a physical world person, but that doesn't mean that no one has any memory of your established posting habits and has to start from a blank slate when you comment on something. That's what differentiates CFC/OT from the comments section of some mass media site. If @Commodore doesn't like the established perceptions that people carry about his posts going in then he could make an effort to change them, but he is more than wise enough to know that just whining about it is pointless.

 

[Dekker]

So if gun control is not the answer, then what is? Our gun violence is normal and nothing? Would love to hear the thoughts from the anti gun-control crowd, as civilian good guys with guns fail yet again to stop another mass shooter, and in gun-happy Texas as well.

 

[abradley]

When did the mass murders start, what happened in the state

 

[Dekker]

When did the mass murders start, what happened in the state

A few hours ago, five dead, 21 injured, gunman killed by police.

 

[Estebonrober]

A few hours ago, five dead, 21 injured, gunman killed by police.

again and again and again and a. . . .

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So if gun control is not the answer, then what is? Our gun violence is normal and nothing? Would love to hear the thoughts from the anti gun-control crowd, as civilian good guys with guns fail yet again to stop another mass shooter, and in gun-happy Texas as well.

There just aren't enough good guys with guns yet. We need EVERYONE to be armed. Even in the womb. Remember, abortion's no fun when the fetus has a gun!

 

[abradley]

abradley said: ↑
When did the mass murders start, what happened in the state

A few hours ago, five dead, 21 injured, gunman killed by police.

No, the mass murders didn't start 'A few hours ago', that was the latest, not the beginning of the trend.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, the mass murders didn't start 'A few hours ago', that was the latest, not the beginning of the trend.

As I recall, when this happened it was seen as a stunningly new concept.

 

[abradley]

Thanxs

Hmmm, mentally ill.

Had tried to get an appointment at the mental health clinic but was put on a waiting status.

A start, how many mass killers were mentally ill?

I seem to remember some being under doctors care and taking medicine.

 

[Bugfatty300]

So if gun control is not the answer, then what is? Our gun violence is normal and nothing?

Maybe their isn't an answer. At least no that can legislate this stuff away anytime soon. All these gun control measures are principally designed to counter single incidents of mass murder (assault weapon bans, magazine limits, waiting periods, ect) and does little to address the statistically more staggering +40,000 annual murders in the USA. As a gun person I do have long term gun control ideas that I think are more practical and realistic but the current fickle political climate only generates superficial feel-good proposals with virtually no regard for large scale enforcement and mass-noncompliance.

And with so many recent spree killings being politically and racially motivated there's going to be the inherent complexity of combating variously levels of organized domestic terrorism.

 

[Dekker]

Maybe their isn't an answer. At least no that can legislate this stuff away anytime soon. All these gun control measures are principally designed to counter single incidents of mass murder (assault weapon bans, magazine limits, waiting periods, ect) and does little to address the statistically more staggering +40,000 annual murders in the USA. As a gun person I do have long term gun control ideas that I think are more practical and realistic but the current fickle political climate only generates superficial feel-good proposals with virtually no regard for large scale enforcement and mass-noncompliance.

And with so many recent spree killings being politically and racially motivated there's going to be the inherent complexity of combating variously levels of organized domestic terrorism.

For sure mass shootings us is not even the main issue, we still have abnormally high gun deaths (suicide/homicides etc.) Vs other developed country. To be compared to places like Brazil, Venezuela, etc. surely shows this is problem, and the mental health excuse is silly unless somehow we have more mentally ill per capita than other countries as well.. though ya I wouldn't be surprised, so in general we have a problem, and not addressing it in fear of politics is not responsible.

 

[Bugfatty300]

For sure mass shootings us is not even the main issue, we still have abnormally high gun deaths (suicide/homicides etc.) Vs other developed country. To be compared to places like Brazil, Venezuela, etc. surely shows this is problem, and the mental health excuse is silly unless somehow we have more mentally ill per capita than other countries as well.. though ya I wouldn't be surprised, so in general we have a problem, and not addressing it in fear of politics is not responsible.

I don't know about mental illness rates but I think it's a safe bet that mental illness diagnosis, treatment, education in the USA is woefully also behind the rest of the developed world.

That said, I generally try not to mention mental health in regards crime and gun control anymore. The vast majority of murders aren't connected to mental illness and the vast majority of people afflicted with a mental illnesses are benign fully functional folks. And conflating them together in ignorant speculation (along with right-wing antidepressant medication blame) just makes the alienation and stigma worse.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Thanxs

Hmmm, mentally ill.

Had tried to get an appointment at the mental health clinic but was put on a waiting status.

A start, how many mass killers were mentally ill?

I seem to remember some being under doctors care and taking medicine.

Key word, a start. Once the sick but sane sort saw how it worked they latched onto it like sucklings on a teat. Now every gun toting defender of truth justice and the American way is liable at any moment to take it upon themselves to go on a killing spree.

 

[Crezth]

In the big picture, what's more dangerous? Guns, or the myth that guns make people safer?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I'm pretty sure guns actually kill people.

It didn't take that long for some of the shooters to rack up a body count that melee weapons would struggle to do.

 

[Crezth]

Well a gun can shoot a guy, but the belief that guns make society safer can put hundreds of millions of guns into the hands of dozens of millions of zealous, self-righteous wannabe Rambos just itching to lay waste to a (((gang of looters))).

 

[Haig]

Family of the toddler that had its jaw shot off in Texas has been getting donations for the surgery they cant afford.

In what kind of a country does baby's surgery from getting shot at cause financial trouble for the family?

Did this happen in some third world ********?

Such a lovely country.

 

[El_Machinae]

Thankfully it doesn’t seem like her jaw was hit, just lip, teeth and tongue. She is having surgery tomorrow to remove the shrapnel from her chest.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Family of the toddler that had its jaw shot off in Texas has been getting donations for the surgery they cant afford.

In what kind of a country does baby's surgery from getting shot at cause financial trouble for the family?

Did this happen in some third world ********?

Such a lovely country.

Don't worry, Texas is solving these problems by turning down Obamacare funding and relaxing gun control laws - the latest batch of gun control repeal went into effect just hours before the shooting too.