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The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lemon Merchant, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. Synsensa

    Synsensa Warlord Retired Moderator

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    It is clever to redefine multiple people disagreeing with you as "piling on" and disrespect. Gaslighting is an effective tactic, no doubt, but I'm not sure it'll work with people you disagree with on CFC.
     
  2. Lexicus

    Lexicus Warlord

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    Someone else already disagreed with me, for you to disagree as well would be meannnnnn :cry:

    But my generation are the perpetually-offended snowflakes, clearly.
     
  3. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    "I repeated something I heard from a known bad source, and after everyone said it was stupid I repeated it again. They didn't change their minds and agree with me. It just isn't fair!"
     
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    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    Trumps latest twitter feed?
     
  5. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    I was thinking "Things J Might Say" for a thousand, Alex. But, yeah, that works too.
     
  6. Commodore

    Commodore Technology of Peace

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    Since the thread title is "The Thread Where we Discuss Guns and Gun Control" I'm going to take the initiative and switch the conversation over to a discussion of guns themselves.

    I will start by showing an example of a budget AR-15 purposed for home defense. The parts I'm about to talk about aren't the absolute cheapest you can get, but they are the cheapest you can get without sacrificing too much in the way of quality and reliability.

    In terms of the rifle itself, some people will say you can build your own much cheaper than buying a complete rifle. That's true if you are trying to build a high-end AR, but that's not what we are trying to do. So I would recommend buying either the Ruger AR556 or the M&P Sport. Both are quality ARs that you can purchase for relatively cheap. I, personally, chose the Ruger because of the cold hammer forged barrel and Ruger's general reputation for putting out quality products at affordable prices. The MSRP for the AR556 is $799, but you can usually find it for much cheaper. I got mine from my local gun shop for $589 including tax. That's not bad at all for an AR. From what I've seen the M&P Sport goes for about the same price. Both are also carbine length with adjustable stocks, which is perfect for home defense since you'll be navigating tight spaces and hallways.

    For an optic, I went with the Sightmark Ultra Shot Plus reflex sight. It's pretty much a discount EOTech, but it gets the job done for a very nice price. An EOTech will run you somewhere between $400 and $500, but the Sightmark only cost $100. There are reflex sights out there for as cheap as $20, but you will see very poor performance out of them. What I like about the Sightmark is that you can switch from a red reticle to a green one, which is better for night fighting, and a home defense situation is likely going to take place at night if it does happen. It also has the different reticles to choose from. Not an essential feature, but it is a nice touch, especially from a budget optic. Where the budget aspect comes in though is the fact that the Sightmark does have some parallax issues that you won't get with an EOTech. However, parallax only really becomes an issue with the Sightmark at loner ranges, and chances are in a home defense situation, you aren't going to be firing at a 300 meter target.

    The last two accessories I put on it were a UTG 400 lumens tactical light and a forward grip for better control in tight quarters. The light ran me about $25 and the grip only cost $15. So neither one of those will break the bank.

    Oh I almost forgot: I replaced the standard polymer handguard on the rifle with a quad rail handguard so I could mount the light and grip. It's a UTG quad rail but I bought from Ruger for around $70 I think.

    So overall, this is, in my opinion, pretty reliable and dependable quality home defense AR-15. And the total cost should come in at around $800 total, which is still cheaper than some ARs out there that you would still have to add accessories to. This setup has everything you need for a close quarters fight and nothing added just to make it look cool.

    And for your viewing pleasure here is a picture of my AR with everything I described above:

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  7. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    Is it hard to sleep with that under your pillow?
     
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  8. metalhead

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    From the sound of it, I don't think "under the pillow" is where Commodore puts that thing whilst sleeping.
     
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  9. Synsensa

    Synsensa Warlord Retired Moderator

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    Where do you live that an AR-15 is a reasonable tool for home defense? Don't you live in some suburban neighbourhood? Do you think the HOA is going to lay siege on your castle?
     
  10. Broken_Erika

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    Meh, this ones better. Especially when chambered for the .475 Wildey Magnum. Then you can get Mr. Vigilante on any home invaders, muggers or gang members who threaten you. Oh, and if you do use it you need a certain style of mustache.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildey
    and if it's not enough, a M1919 Browning .30 cal MG should do the trick.
     
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  11. Lexicus

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    "But captain, I can't avenge my partner's death with this pea-shooter"
     
  12. Commodore

    Commodore Technology of Peace

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    It is my pillow.
     
  13. Gori the Grey

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    In particular, where within your home do you need a scope? You got some big-ass house.
     
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  14. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    Reading all this, something occurred to me that I had not thought of (in the context of the NY law) until now. Putting aside all the time and effort to assemble and accessorize their selection of weapons... If a guy spends $800 on his gun when its legal for him to have it... then it is subsequently deemed illegal... does he get his money back? I know this isn't eminent domain, but just confiscating thousands of dollars worth of someone's guns because we say its illegal now for you to have these... seems... I dunno... like something folks might find hard to swallow.
     
  15. Lexicus

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    A reflex sight of the kind shown in the picture is not meant for long-range engagements. It's more like an improved ironsight than a telescopic scope.
     
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  16. Commodore

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    As of right now, no gun owners are not compensated when the state forces them to turn over or destroy guns or accessories. It is actually something that is discussed quite frequently in the gun community.

    The prevailing opinion is that it should qualify as emminent domain since at it's heart it is the government forcing citizens to surrender private property.

    Exactly. The reflex sight doesn't have any magnification ability and just provides a holographic reticle for rapid target acquisition. Very good for situations where you have to shoot quick without having time to get in the proper stance.
     
  17. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    Wait, you sleep? I mean, with so much imminent danger that you need an AR-15 purposed for home defense shouldn't you be shooting speed so you can respond instantly 24/7? Surely the home invaders union is monitoring the sleep patterns of innocent homeowners such as yourself.
     
  18. Commodore

    Commodore Technology of Peace

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    No I just lay bed staring blankly at the ceiling until I hear a noise. At which point I immediately mag dump no less than ten magazines in the direction of the sound.
     
  19. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    That's kinda what I figured. I mean, in a living situation where an AR-15 purposed for home defense is considered a necessity how could anyone do less?
     
  20. metalhead

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    Australia instituted a mandatory buyback program when it instituted strict gun laws.

    I would certainly favor an extended buyback period accompanying an assault weapons ban, it's only fair. However if it's a seizure because some guy beat up his wife? Nah.
     
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