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The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lemon Merchant, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. rah

    rah Warlord Supporter

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    Ah, thx. Never heard that before.
     
  2. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    My turret-mounted Smith&Wesson looks baller on my Camero
     
  3. Commodore

    Commodore Technology of Peace

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    My guess would be the people stealing guns are those who have had their Constitutional right to legally own one stripped away from them. Remove the barriers to legal gun ownership for certain segments of the population and gun thefts would probably go down as well. The idea being that making guns more accessible legally takes away ones motivation to steal them from others.
     
  4. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Guns are stolen because they're valuable and small. Same reason why GPS units used to get stolen. Or airbags.
     
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  5. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    There's got to be a significant segment of the people who are stealing guns doing so simply because they'd rather steal them than pay for them. There's also folks who are stealing guns so that they can commit other crimes with them, using a gun that is registered to someone else rather than them.
     
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  6. AmazonQueen

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    Especially given how good ballistics are now. For a criminal guns are single use items, not something to keep, especially when its so easy to steal another.
     
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  7. metalhead

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    We should subsidize gun purchases for low income people, too. It's not really a "right" if it requires money beyond a nominal fee to exercise it.
     
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    And your guess would be wrong. People steel guns because they're can sell them or use them free of authorities abilities to trace them.
    If you're saying we should let felons and psychopaths have guns so they won't steal them, seems real disturbing, even by your standards.
     
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    We don't really need complex reasons as for why someone would steal a handgun. They are compact and valuable. There's no big socio-economic and political reason why handguns were stolen from cars. People put their hand guns in cars once they could, and then they got stolen.

    I might live with a different perspective. I know people whose airbags were stolen. People are going to steal. Putting hand guns in cars means that guns will get stolen from cars
     
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  10. rah

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    I would be willing to be that even if they were inexpensive, they'd still get stolen.
     
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  11. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy I swear..

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    Saturday night specials have uses.
     
  12. rah

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    Yes, They don't have to be good to be used as a threat.
     
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    When I was paying attention, the street value of airbags was $40 when people were cutting them out of cars.
     
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    People will smash through a car window to scoop up a handful of change left sitting out in the center console.

    I mean if you're stuck arguing that people are only stealing guns out of cars because their right to own one legally was taken away, you have gone intellectually bankrupt and should stop playing Constitutionopoly. Either that or you've entirely left your senses and ought to return to the real world.
     
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    No, I'm saying felons should be allowed to own guns after they have completed their sentence because they are still Americans and should have all of their Constitutional rights restored to them once they have paid their debt to society.

    Outside of California and a handful of other states, guns aren't registered, and nor should they be. The paper trail on the vast majority of firearms ends at the last FFL it was purchased or transferred from since they are required to keep records of who they sell to. Even then, they are only required to keep the records for two years and digital backups or databases are prohibited, it has to all be hard copies. So the idea that one would steal a gun to commit a crime without having that gun be traced back to them doesn't make much sense, considering they could buy one from a private seller who isn't required to do a background check or keep any records of the sale.
     
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    That would surely make everything better. A bunch of unaccountable gun-owners.
     
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    If their crime involved using a gun, they've given up that right as far as I'm concerned. Safety of society.

    And we need more accountability, not less. Accountable gun use is not unconstitutional.
     
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    If you think felons should lose a right, then it's not really a right. Most of this discussion is about whether we implicitly think of gun ownership as an actual right.
     
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    Guns are expensive and stolen guns have a ready market in people who do not want to use a gun that can be traced to them. That's what fuels gun theft. What we need to do is mass produce about a billion handguns and put them in vending machines. That way anyone who wants to shoot somebody can just pick one up real quick and do their killing, then just throw it away.
     
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