The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[TheMeInTeam]

While it may be, in all actuality, it seems a bit silly that R Kelly only gets 10 felony charges for being a pedophile while smollett gets 16 felony charges for lying to the police. Granted, i am offended by both, but in the bigger scheme of things, I'd rather see Kelly rot.

Absent further context that can make sense though. Doing 16 bad things gets you 16 bad thing charges. Doing 10 horrendous things still only gets 10 charges.

A murder charge is one felony charge, depending on how it's executed. But it's still murder and should be handled accordingly per the law.

 

[rah]

You don't see lying to the police about an assault multiplying to 16 felony charges a bit of a stretch? Just saying.
While I'm not a fan of him or what he did, it does seem a bit piling on. If he was white, it probably would have been a single misdemeanor.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You don't see lying to the police about an assault multiplying to 16 felony charges a bit of a stretch? Just saying.
While I'm not a fan of him or what he did, it does seem a bit piling on. If he was white, it probably would have been a single misdemeanor.

Lots of tack on charges happen with stuff, rarely do you see them all convicted, nor to my knowledge are they taken as seriously as even a single charge of something truly heinous.

 

[rah]

I don't see how anyone could not take 16 felony charges seriously. You've obviously have never been charged like that.

 

[cardgame]

In Illinois if you sell a car you must record the sale and pay the sales tax or you can be charged.

Bill of sale: $1

cash transfer: >$1

honestly so easy that it's impossible to enforce unless they can't afford the cash transaction.

 

[rah]

Well many laws can be gotten around but it's still illegal and the people that do it are technically criminals.
Are you saying that if a law can be gotten around, that it's useless and everyone should violate it?

And there have been a few people that did something similar and were stupid enough to get caught according to a judge I play golf with on occasion.

 

[cardgame]

Economics 101, a required(? actually idk) course to graduate college: people are rational actors and will make rational choices

College graduates writing legislation: Actually, let's incentivize criminality by making it the rational choice.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Bill of sale: $1

cash transfer: >$1

honestly so easy that it's impossible to enforce unless they can't afford the cash transaction.

Any sale that is too far below market value can raise a flag at the DMV. I might record it at several hundred or even a few thousand below actual transaction, but putting one dollar on the bill of sale is asking for trouble.

Sellers have a motive to tell the state about the transfer for liability reasons but thats on them, not the buyer. I sold 2 cars here and never told the state because I knew the buyer's wanted them street ready. But that was years ago, the state may have changed the rules or I was violating them at the time. They recently did away with paper titles and its all in computer databases, oh joy... Now hackers can steal cars and have the sheriff oversee the transfer if the owners make a fuss.

My buddy is in the used car repair/sales business so I'll ask him, but I'm pretty sure buyer's dont have to do anything until they want to use their cars in public. I brought a car back from California and never registered it here and California kept sending me renewal notices to be ignored if the car wasn't in use. Thats the status they care about.

That's because you were out of state. If they were sending the notices to you in California they would have included a reminder that if you do not file a "certificate of non-operative status" you will be required to pay retroactive registration fees all the way back to the last paid registration if/when you ever register the car for use again or sell it.

Obviously things vary from state to state, but California can tell you what became of every car ever sold in California. That may include "taken to Kansas by Mr Berzerker" which might not be as final as most dispositions, but they do know it left the state.

 

[rah]

Any sale that is too far below market value can raise a flag at the DMV. I might record it at several hundred or even a few thousand below actual transaction, but putting one dollar on the bill of sale is asking for trouble.

As I said, some people are too stupid and get caught.
The state makes a good chunk of change for those taxes, so it's reasonably safe to assume that it usually followed.
Especially by businesses that have more to lose if the cook the books and get caught.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

As I said, some people are too stupid and get caught.
The state makes a good chunk of change for those taxes, so it's reasonably safe to assume that it usually followed.
Especially by businesses that have more to lose if the cook the books and get caught.

Oh, no doubt. The lowered reported bill of sale ploy is strictly a private party transaction deal.

 

[cardgame]

I am the beneficiary of exactly such a private party deal, which is how I know about it

I also know that precisely zero trouble came to the seller.

 

[rah]

Do you live in Illinois? And what amount was the bill of sale for.

 

[cardgame]

Nice try, copper!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I am the beneficiary of exactly such a private party deal, which is how I know about it

I also know that precisely zero trouble came to the seller.

What was the market value of the car, approximately?

When I bought my truck I paid $1800 and ROS at five hundred. Wholesale book was over three grand, but the truck was 17 years old and condition could easily account for a sale at 500 so we figured (correctly) it would be safe enough.

 

[El_Machinae]

Something I don't know ... why do people always talk about Chicago in these discussions?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Something I don't know ... why do people always talk about Chicago in these discussions?

Because people who are trying to scare the public (cops, 'law and order' politicians, 'security' companies) are intentionally misleading and they love using the gross number instead of the rate. Even if the rate were fifty per hundred thousand that still gives odds of two thousand to one against, and that doesn't really motivate people to overlook the egregious behaviors of the thugs in blue, or vote against their own interests for the guy who got endorsed by the police union, or spend money on useless home alarms. So they trot out the highest total number they can find, which of course comes from the biggest city available.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Something I don't know ... why do people always talk about Chicago in these discussions?

Thanks Obama!

Also, the "people" who "always talk about Chicago" are typically Conservatives, etc., who, in addition to wanting to smear Obama, are trying to smear Blue States in general... so the fact that the list has 6 Red States in the top ten, including the #1 on that list is an inconvenient fact that they'd rather just ignore... so they do.

EDIT: Looking at the list again... I realized that if we go by the 2016 election, 13 of the 19 cities on that list are from Red States

 

[Farm Boy]

Follow the economics not the dick measuring contest. One is definitely upstream from the other and not in the way dorks like to whip it out and expose thier shame.

It's where the "inevitable Detroit" comes in. There is a lot of effort going into making it so.

 

[rah]

That's a chart of actual deaths. Not shootings. Not every shooting victim dies.

And not every homicide is gang related like the probably 90% of the shootings in Chicago.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Michigan is a Red state as per the 2016 election. Its either because Red state'ers are the majority there, and thus should be in charge politically... or because of shenanigans... like voter suppression and gerrymandering and such... in which case... you break, you buy. Can't have it both ways... as the saying goes.