The universal "Poland is in X" thread

[mechaerik]

No, the reason Poland is eastern is geographical.

 

[TheLastOne36]

What has Poland done besides get attacked?

Lots and lots of things. And us being attacked is a new thing too.

I think Poland is one of the countries that shapped modern history. We had a hand on so many things, that might not have happened(or could've happened) and if we didn't exist, the world would be a very different place. (Germany might not have ever formed, Russia could own half of Europe, Muslims could be the majority in South Eastern Europe etc.

Also attacking? Winning wars? Last war won in 1920 against... let me see... Soviet Union? After two major defeats and destruction of soviet armies?

During our 1000 year old history we were loosing wars, but also winning - normal thing. Some wars we won in a spectacular way.

Historically we always done well with wars untill our political system at the time screwed us up. Sweden should've been a very powerful warning to us that things needed to be changed, and quickly. We didn't change it, nobles remained very powerful and it eventually led to the partitions, which were originally just a scheme to gain some border territories.

I'd be interesting how history would've followed if the nobles did not side with the invaders. We could've likely repelled Austrian and Russian armies(actually I am not sure about this, don't know how strong we could've been if the nobles were with the king), and Prussia would've likely have failed miserably and gone back into Polish rule.

Plus in the Napoleonic wars, if Poland sided with France as Polish rebels did historically, who knows what would've happened! (There would also likely be no Prussia too)

So you have a strange books then Not entirely your fault though it seems. But you see... you probably think such statements will irritate me, but in fact those who wrote such things make fools of themselves and shows only lack of knowledge. So, if someone choose to make a fool of himself just to give someone a buzz - the choice is his

The thing about western history books, is because of the iron curtain, they did not teach Polish history in school, and books mostly ignored Polish achievements.

Winning a war against a country barely a year old. Spectacular.

Soviet Russia had a recent history of being independent, not to mention they just came out of WWI with strong experienced armies and generals etc.

Poland was the country that was only 2 or so years old at the time, it is spectacular how Poland managed to B-slap Russia so hard.

Still fresh out of a civil war and a world war.

That said, I know that Poland was once massive and has had several great accomplishments, but this isn't one of them.

Poland faced big casaulties in WWI too, our men faught in the armies of Austria, Prussia and Russia.

Russia like I said, was much more prepared for a war then Poland was. I am sure at the time, Pilsudski was seen as a madman for waging war like that.

Here we have a typical Slav response to a question.

The only noteworthy thing the Poles did in the past 400 years besides get invaded was fight in the Battle of Vienna. Wow, stop living in the past and get some new achievements.

Would it really be worth answering a troll on our achievemnets in the last 400 years?

That is the question I will have to answer first before answering yours.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

So if something is in the centre of something else then it is "eastern"? So Kansas or Nebraska are in the eastern part of the country, right?

 

[TheLastOne36]

No, the reason Poland is eastern is geographical.

Forgot about that.

Poland is in the center of Europe. If you took a flat map and drew a line in the middle, the line would go through Eastern Poland. I don't know what is more Central then that.

And anyway, taking a flat map is completely ignoring the fact that the globe is a sphere. Mirc already proved that the center of Europe goes through the middle of Belarus if we measured things properlly.

 

[mechaerik]

Kansas and Nebraska are firmly in the center of the country. If you go a little bit to the East, thats the Eastern U.S. While part of Poland is in central Europe, most of it is in the eastern part.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Kansas and Nebraska are firmly in the center of the country. If you go a little bit to the East, thats the Eastern U.S. While part of Poland is in central Europe, most of it is in the eastern part.

Read my above post. The line of Europe goes through Eastern Poland, and that is with a flat map. In a proper map, the line goes through the middle of Belarus.

Hopefully Mirc reads this and reposts his map, but if not I will look for it.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

mechaerik - see post above yours and

 

[Godwynn]

You sound like world war I did not affected us. Poland was devastated - war took place also on our land. In 1919 we also were in a bad situation. And those two major battles that I speak of took place after Soviets managed to deploy huge army and were ready to send in huge reinforcements. If you compare capabilities (mostly human resources) then it was something extraordinary.

1919 you were in a bad situation? If my country was ran by Poles, I'd be worried too.

You say so because you've learnt about it few minutes ago? I have to dissappoint you - you still have much to learn

I know my Germanic (aka superior race) history.

Hmm? First not-communistic government in post-soviet europe (before more famous "fall of Berlin Wall"), becoming a member of NATO and then EU. And while you suffered badly from the recession (and IIRC you are still suffering), Poland managed to maintain economical growth as the only one country in Europe IIRC.

We are doing a steady progress and who knows how Europe will look like in 2050? Who knows - maybe we really have such enormous gas deposits here?

You have great economic growth because you were dirt poor in 1991 and now Poland has managed to finally get electricity. Let me know when y'all manage to get air travel.

 

[TheLastOne36]

You have great economic growth because you were dirt poor in 1991 and now Poland has managed to finally get electricity. Let me know when y'all manage to get air travel.

We are still working on that!

 

[mechaerik]

Read my above post. The line of Europe goes through Eastern Poland, and that is with a flat map. In a proper map, the line goes through the middle of Belarus.

Hopefully Mirc reads this and reposts his map, but if not I will look for it.

I have a globe right here. If we use Belarus as the center of Europe, then basically the only eastern European country would be Russia.

mechaerik - see post above yours and

He ninja'd me.

Actually, thinking about it a bit more (and consulting my globe), then yes, Nebraska and Kansas are eastern. Why? Because now I'm counting from the farthest tips of the country (the Aleutians).

 

[Zack]

So if something is in the centre of something else then it is "eastern"? So Kansas or Nebraska are in the eastern part of the country, right?

Kansas and Nebraska aren't in eastern Poland, no.

 

[TheLastOne36]

I have a globe right here. If we use Belarus as the center of Europe, then basically the only eastern European country would be Russia.

Russia, togather with Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, and arguably Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Moldova are the eastern European countries.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

1919 you were in a bad situation? If my country was ran by Poles, I'd be worried too.

Another

troll.

Let me know when y'all manage to get air travel.

"Mr President, there is this Kaczyński's funeral in Poland. Can we reach Cracow in time, despite this volcanic ashes?"

Spoiler :

I have a globe right here. If we use Belarus as the center of Europe, then basically the only eastern European country would be Russia.

Finally... you are on a good path.

Actually, thinking about it a bit more (and consulting my globe), then yes, Nebraska and Kansas are eastern. Why? Because now I'm counting from the farthest tips of the country (the Aleutians).

Then I'm glad that you live in the Central USA.

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[Zack]

Arguably Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova? Preposterous.

 

[Pokurcz]

Here we have a typical Slav response to a question.

The only noteworthy thing the Poles did in the past 400 years besides get invaded was fight in the Battle of Vienna. Wow, stop living in the past and get some new achievements.

Firstly, the guy was rude, I rest my case.

Way to go with that racial stereotyping though!

Secondly, the guy was asking for examples from history, it would have been rude of me to give examples from the future! You silly person.

 

[Pokurcz]

Still fresh out of a civil war and a world war.

That said, I know that Poland was once massive and has had several great accomplishments, but this isn't one of them.

Poland was also freshly out of war, from fighting in three separte armies, duh.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Arguably Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova? Preposterous.

Estonia and Latvia are arguably northern European or Baltic states. Lithuania is I don't know, I consider it eastern but they are catholic, and share ties with Central Europe.

Moldova is Basarabia, a region of Romania. It is arguable whether Basarabia and Budjak(Ukrainian atm, historicaly Romanian) are Romanian territories and should be grouped up with Romania.

 

[mechaerik]

Russia, togather with Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, and arguably Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Moldova are the eastern European countries.

How can it be "arguably Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Moldova" if you count Belarus and the Ukraine as eastern? And what about Turkey, Greece and Romania? The Baltic states are eastern, as well as northern. Geographically, this makes no sense.

EDIT: Ninja'd again!!!

 

[Zack]

Estonia and Latvia are arguably northern European or Baltic states. Lithuania is I don't know, I consider it eastern but they are catholic, and share ties with Central Europe.

Moldova is Basarabia, a region of Romania. It is arguable whether Basarabia and Budjak(Ukrainian atm, historicaly Romanian) are Romanian territories and should be grouped up with Romania.

I was speaking strictly west, central, east (without factoring north and south). your previous statement makes a lot more sense now.

 

[TheLastOne36]

I divide Europe as West, Central, East, North and SouthEast. I guess Italy and Malta can be Southern Europe on their own. (Or grouped up with Western, either way)

Greece&Thrace would be in South East, and Turkey geographically is not in Europe.

That is how my head procceses it, if that solves any confusion.