The Worst War Ever?
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Miroslav I
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Not agree at all with all that you wrote. And what does it mean "and any small , medium , large and great power will be wellcomed to be allied to USA"? In many countries people were convinced that they were welcomed as allies to USA but...
Reality was something completely different.
And it's not the end.
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what would be the point of months and years of a slogging match that would cause a billion casualties ? Long wars cause new frictions , new problems and they do much toneutralise the advantage of strategic surprises .
americana ever since the Commies fizzled have been busy placing bots , bugs , viruses , malwares , anything to knock out any probable adversary in any kind of scenario , or at least they fervently believe they are succesfully and furtively doing so . The terms mentioned above are not limited to electronic means alone and cover all aspects in the life of hostile nations and ı hasten to add they are hardly original in reapplying all the tricks in the book .
america wants to knock out its particular enemies so quick that nobody will ever notice and they will be content to deal with American invasions of dustbowls and sandmounds in forsaken corners of the world .
this is the proper WW3 , or rather it is not .
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now that ı never how to shut up , here is one :
the American way to a "proper" Pearl Harbour would have been infiltration and various dark arts of influence , which would eventually lead to presence of at least one traitor on every battleship to place a stick of dynamite in the magazines , contaminated food in case the spiked drinks do not appeal to random teetotaller , everybody keeping "the" watch being certified drunkards , reports of terrorist presence so that fighter aircraft would be arranged wing to wing on the runways for easy protection so that the 2000 Japanese milkmen would have it easy ( who by the way would suspiciously look like 6 foot 4 blonds with blue eyes ) yelling Banzai as they drove their trucks into the tails of the said planes .
the proper "proper" Pearl Harbour would on the other hand would have involved 2000 F4U-4s in a single wave . With a 60 feet ceiling in approach , 10000 or so 5 inch rockets , 800 tons of bombs and torpedoes , in addition to those 8000 20mm cannons capable of "burning the air around the target" - as Americans were fond of describing them by1950s.
the American way to a "proper" Pearl Harbour would have been infiltration and various dark arts of influence , which would eventually lead to presence of at least one traitor on every battleship to place a stick of dynamite in the magazines , contaminated food in case the spiked drinks do not appeal to random teetotaller , everybody keeping "the" watch being certified drunkards , reports of terrorist presence so that fighter aircraft would be arranged wing to wing on the runways for easy protection so that the 2000 Japanese milkmen would have it easy ( who by the way would suspiciously look like 6 foot 4 blonds with blue eyes ) yelling Banzai as they drove their trucks into the tails of the said planes .
the proper "proper" Pearl Harbour would on the other hand would have involved 2000 F4U-4s in a single wave . With a 60 feet ceiling in approach , 10000 or so 5 inch rockets , 800 tons of bombs and torpedoes , in addition to those 8000 20mm cannons capable of "burning the air around the target" - as Americans were fond of describing them by1950s.
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Now you're making the fundamental assumption that armed conflict on a grand scale is rational. In reality, it's about the least rational thing that humanity ever does. Rationally, there's no war that's better than any deal that two countries could work out to solve their greviences, since negotiations, however bad, don't involve, well, sending young men off to die. The only advantage that fighting has is that it's the only means by which the losing party has to accept the verdict, because its results are implemented by force. History indeed shows us that there has never been a war stopped for causing too much suffering.
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rationality happens to be the core cause of many sufferings , you know let's handle this peacefully , let's help people , let's do something good , let's fear God/Allah and His Judgement Day and the other side does ? Decides you don't because you can't , meaning more can be demanded than anything agreed and acted upon ; what's more now that you can't there is no point in adhering to the original deal too .
regarding wars stopped for too much suffering , ı would list up a few though that would also demand that ı should offer proof . Though ı have already gone on record claiming the Spanish Influenza was a decisive factor for the failure of Germany , and hence the Ottomans .
regarding wars stopped for too much suffering , ı would list up a few though that would also demand that ı should offer proof . Though ı have already gone on record claiming the Spanish Influenza was a decisive factor for the failure of Germany , and hence the Ottomans .
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Even if the Spanish Flu was the cause of WWI, the flu would have ended the war because it rendered the Germans incapable of fighting, not because the suffering convinced everyone to go home.
The Spanish flu actually had a beneficial impact on Germany's military situation initially and helped contribute to the disorganized response to the first stages of the Spring Offensive
when it started infecting Germans, the effect really evened out more than anything else
when it started infecting Germans, the effect really evened out more than anything else
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ı surf at webcafes where time costs , which leads to me writing most of pieces at home . Here is the one ı had last night :
am a guy of tall tales and here is one on the rational approach by a couple of states on issues of existantiality .
the year is 1962 , the pro-American Goverment here in Turkey has been toppled by the pro-British Army and Left and the Prime Minister hanged . The coup had started with the customary take over of the radio station and the first time the world heard about the event was when a colonel who read the communiue that the coup was loyal to NATO and CENTO . Moving somewhere to the East , we are kinda loosely allied to Pakistanis who are in big trouble with the Indians . Meanwhile China has its problems though ı believe they haven't yet reached the stage where opposition figures were cooked and eaten .
yeah, we hear the Chinese are about to get involved with the Indians and say nuthin' . Why , our allies have even U-2s right ? Even when disregarding all their assets in country . Remember , we are in the same military alliance with Pakistanis , Indians are in talks in Europe and America sounding for a general attack in Kashmir and the Chinese , in their wisdom , have decided to pre-empt that assault .
remember the Cuban Missile Crisis , where the entire human race stood on the brink of extinction ? Don't believe it , it is simply blown out of all proportions ; from a pre-arranged waltz where Ankara would be shown to be worthless when Jupiters would be withdrawn without any show of consultation , it rapidly became a Russian-American combined mobilization against the Chinese who on the exact Day 1 rolled into the Indians .
if you find this unbelieveable , it also happens to be the time frame France blockaded Monaco to force tougher laws against French companies who were enjoying the benefits of a sunny tax-haven . It appears they really threatened people with their newly acquired atomic "deterrent" . Source ? This Grace Kelly biography ı have somewhere . ı had long believed it was pushed onto me for ı had once bought a music tape of Princess Stephanie , them old guys having fun at my expense ...
though ı believe Ms Palthrow is kinda tall to play the role , didn't she take her Oscar in the pink dress anyhow ?
returning to more mundane wordly affairs , the hatemeter against the evil Turk went simply nuts and we have never been forgiven for it and as usual ı am an idiot . In the following years , Pakistan had to prove its loyalty by infiltrating China , though Pekin was so lonely that it turned a blind eye , probably because Americans were so eager to draw them to the Vietnam war in full to be pulverized and it is of course no coincidence the first aerial combat of the war was over Hainan . The old school Yanks were not terribly surprised either . When Pakistan failed big time in Bangladesh and America sent in the USS Enterprise and Indians took British material go nuclear in 1974 , and it was fully approved that Islamabad was to do likewise .
though as it is AngloSaxon success formula to play people against people , to balance a nuclear Pakistan and it also made great sense for the protection of oil sources and blockading Russia and pressuring Commie clients in the Middle East , Iran was also armed to the teeth with the bomb to be following closely , this being particularly against some unruly , untrustworthy , dirty scoundrels who lived nearby and their name started with a T . We have to be deterred form being too smart , you know . Now that it was a fad , Saddam also "got" his bomb and from the West , too .
though Iran and Iraq were too potent a mix and they decided to get in to this row , Shah was punished and it has been some serious effort every year to deny a Nobel Peace Price to Jimmy Carter . Though we couldn't be effective against Al Gore , apologies for that .
Though make no mistake , Iran and the West are so comfy talking ; the rumours are Israel and America have already assured their continued forbearence in the case of nuke , now that this weird computer virus somehow got this armoury complex blowing up , killing the lead designer of long range missiles . Since when computer viruses arrive from above 35K+ ? Even the name is so catchy , rhyming with Dooku , in my pathetic English . So Sith Lords are against Iran ? Remarkably odd , considering the phrase probably comes from Shiite (definitely if it is not derived from Sikh ) .
the "American mouths " here in the Media are kinda confused , they are readily talking against spoiling Iran too much yet on the other hand making up things too . The Iranian Speaker of the parliament , Mr Laricani , their former IAIE negotiator , is "mistakenly" reported to have offered us the bomb and luckily for the correspondent it quickly gets lost in lots of empty words . Like how American UAVs freshly in country will help fighting the seperatists , come spring . So different from the glowing accounts when bad weather denied the "early discovery" of those 150 guys who attacked and killed 24 Turkish soldiers , we had slept easy sleeps for a month imagining they would save us from the indestructable insurgency . It turns out they will not fight but only observe but this is soooo good , killing Turkish troops will probably soon become a constitional right anyhow and does the average American mouth actually believe what he / she says ? The "intellectuals" on the other hand are so "unhappy" . They agreed and pushed on the notion that a little anti-Semitism would give the crown of the Middle East to Turkey , didn't wince when people were killed on Mavi Marmara because it was a simple application of breaking eggs to make an omelette , and justifying every step . And that's the first thing you can say about them without too much a hassle , their local impact would need some serious background . Anyhow , they have done so much to make it possible for this country to do the heavy lifting in Syria and be destroyed in the process . Congragulations ! You earned a nuke and it is comin for ya ...
yeah , we are all toast because Roosevelt pushed free trade down Churchill's throat and those two greatest countries of the greatest are still squabbling over the Atlantic Charter .
am a guy of tall tales and here is one on the rational approach by a couple of states on issues of existantiality .
the year is 1962 , the pro-American Goverment here in Turkey has been toppled by the pro-British Army and Left and the Prime Minister hanged . The coup had started with the customary take over of the radio station and the first time the world heard about the event was when a colonel who read the communiue that the coup was loyal to NATO and CENTO . Moving somewhere to the East , we are kinda loosely allied to Pakistanis who are in big trouble with the Indians . Meanwhile China has its problems though ı believe they haven't yet reached the stage where opposition figures were cooked and eaten .
yeah, we hear the Chinese are about to get involved with the Indians and say nuthin' . Why , our allies have even U-2s right ? Even when disregarding all their assets in country . Remember , we are in the same military alliance with Pakistanis , Indians are in talks in Europe and America sounding for a general attack in Kashmir and the Chinese , in their wisdom , have decided to pre-empt that assault .
remember the Cuban Missile Crisis , where the entire human race stood on the brink of extinction ? Don't believe it , it is simply blown out of all proportions ; from a pre-arranged waltz where Ankara would be shown to be worthless when Jupiters would be withdrawn without any show of consultation , it rapidly became a Russian-American combined mobilization against the Chinese who on the exact Day 1 rolled into the Indians .
if you find this unbelieveable , it also happens to be the time frame France blockaded Monaco to force tougher laws against French companies who were enjoying the benefits of a sunny tax-haven . It appears they really threatened people with their newly acquired atomic "deterrent" . Source ? This Grace Kelly biography ı have somewhere . ı had long believed it was pushed onto me for ı had once bought a music tape of Princess Stephanie , them old guys having fun at my expense ...
though ı believe Ms Palthrow is kinda tall to play the role , didn't she take her Oscar in the pink dress anyhow ?
returning to more mundane wordly affairs , the hatemeter against the evil Turk went simply nuts and we have never been forgiven for it and as usual ı am an idiot . In the following years , Pakistan had to prove its loyalty by infiltrating China , though Pekin was so lonely that it turned a blind eye , probably because Americans were so eager to draw them to the Vietnam war in full to be pulverized and it is of course no coincidence the first aerial combat of the war was over Hainan . The old school Yanks were not terribly surprised either . When Pakistan failed big time in Bangladesh and America sent in the USS Enterprise and Indians took British material go nuclear in 1974 , and it was fully approved that Islamabad was to do likewise .
though as it is AngloSaxon success formula to play people against people , to balance a nuclear Pakistan and it also made great sense for the protection of oil sources and blockading Russia and pressuring Commie clients in the Middle East , Iran was also armed to the teeth with the bomb to be following closely , this being particularly against some unruly , untrustworthy , dirty scoundrels who lived nearby and their name started with a T . We have to be deterred form being too smart , you know . Now that it was a fad , Saddam also "got" his bomb and from the West , too .
though Iran and Iraq were too potent a mix and they decided to get in to this row , Shah was punished and it has been some serious effort every year to deny a Nobel Peace Price to Jimmy Carter . Though we couldn't be effective against Al Gore , apologies for that .
Though make no mistake , Iran and the West are so comfy talking ; the rumours are Israel and America have already assured their continued forbearence in the case of nuke , now that this weird computer virus somehow got this armoury complex blowing up , killing the lead designer of long range missiles . Since when computer viruses arrive from above 35K+ ? Even the name is so catchy , rhyming with Dooku , in my pathetic English . So Sith Lords are against Iran ? Remarkably odd , considering the phrase probably comes from Shiite (definitely if it is not derived from Sikh ) .
the "American mouths " here in the Media are kinda confused , they are readily talking against spoiling Iran too much yet on the other hand making up things too . The Iranian Speaker of the parliament , Mr Laricani , their former IAIE negotiator , is "mistakenly" reported to have offered us the bomb and luckily for the correspondent it quickly gets lost in lots of empty words . Like how American UAVs freshly in country will help fighting the seperatists , come spring . So different from the glowing accounts when bad weather denied the "early discovery" of those 150 guys who attacked and killed 24 Turkish soldiers , we had slept easy sleeps for a month imagining they would save us from the indestructable insurgency . It turns out they will not fight but only observe but this is soooo good , killing Turkish troops will probably soon become a constitional right anyhow and does the average American mouth actually believe what he / she says ? The "intellectuals" on the other hand are so "unhappy" . They agreed and pushed on the notion that a little anti-Semitism would give the crown of the Middle East to Turkey , didn't wince when people were killed on Mavi Marmara because it was a simple application of breaking eggs to make an omelette , and justifying every step . And that's the first thing you can say about them without too much a hassle , their local impact would need some serious background . Anyhow , they have done so much to make it possible for this country to do the heavy lifting in Syria and be destroyed in the process . Congragulations ! You earned a nuke and it is comin for ya ...
yeah , we are all toast because Roosevelt pushed free trade down Churchill's throat and those two greatest countries of the greatest are still squabbling over the Atlantic Charter .
In regards to my own nation, an American soldier Vietnam, for a variety of reasons:
Wars like WWI, WWII, American Civil War, and plenty of ones in the Medieval Era would also be quite unpleasant, and I suppose I write only from the American perspective.
If I was to do a universal perspective, I would probably say being an Eastern Front German in WWII; especially if you make it through and live to see Dresden, Hamburg, Konigsberg, Berlin, and others annihilated by the foe, international disgrace and personal shame at having been a Nazi, and the Fatherland split in two between East and West.
- If I made it through the war, I would know that my efforts were, for the most part, vain.
- Having to deal with that tropical heat, flora, and fauna.
- Fighting in completely alien environment with completely alien culture; no shared language or customs.
- Traps, ambushes, massacres = lots of stress and psychological trauma.
- Most soldiers in war were from bitter lower classes, not fun company for me.
- I'd be off in Asia when I could be going to Zeppelin or Hendrix concerts.
Wars like WWI, WWII, American Civil War, and plenty of ones in the Medieval Era would also be quite unpleasant, and I suppose I write only from the American perspective.
If I was to do a universal perspective, I would probably say being an Eastern Front German in WWII; especially if you make it through and live to see Dresden, Hamburg, Konigsberg, Berlin, and others annihilated by the foe, international disgrace and personal shame at having been a Nazi, and the Fatherland split in two between East and West.
Apart from the last one, sounds rather like us in Malaya! (not entirely seriously, I probably should add.) Although I do take exception at the idea that the lower classes are not adequate company for one so mighty as yourself.
Hah, the last two were meant to be jokes, although the one about Zeppelin was kind of serious.
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The Lithuanian light infantry divisions at the Battle of Grunwald had it pretty tough.
30+ degrees on hot sunny summer day, battling heavily armored Teutonic Knights throughout the morning and the middle of the day, then your allies, the large Polish Calvary comes rushing down the hills from the forest. I'd imagine those Lithuanians had to spend the rest of the day avoiding being trampled by horses or their heads chopped off by Teutonic longswords. Though it probably is little compared to being gassed in WWI, I think the scale and conditions of the battle were pretty tough for the times.
Also, the Paratroopers in Market Garden during WWII. Being helpless in the air as an enemy army target practices on you and ready to take you out the moment you touch the ground was probably amongst the worst situations to be in on the western front.
30+ degrees on hot sunny summer day, battling heavily armored Teutonic Knights throughout the morning and the middle of the day, then your allies, the large Polish Calvary comes rushing down the hills from the forest. I'd imagine those Lithuanians had to spend the rest of the day avoiding being trampled by horses or their heads chopped off by Teutonic longswords. Though it probably is little compared to being gassed in WWI, I think the scale and conditions of the battle were pretty tough for the times.
Also, the Paratroopers in Market Garden during WWII. Being helpless in the air as an enemy army target practices on you and ready to take you out the moment you touch the ground was probably amongst the worst situations to be in on the western front.
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Any paratrooping gone bad is probably amongst the most frightful experiences.
I'm probably biased though with my fear of heights.
I'm probably biased though with my fear of heights.
The problem with being a paratrooper is that you're helpless. Until ou hit the ground ou cn't defend yourself at all, and even where you drop is out of your hands. I can't think of many more frightening jobs, even if you're not scared of heights - I'm not, it's large bodies of water I don't like - than paratrooping.Any paratrooping gone bad is probably amongst the most frightful experiences.
I'm probably biased though with my fear of heights.
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