These are United States Republicans aka American Conservatives

[AppleDumplingHead]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

All the other *somethings* in the party are clinging to our coat tails, riding on our ticket.

Discuss.

 

[JollyRoger]

Since you control all levels of government, what is your excuse for not governing by your ideals?

 

[onejayhawk]

When did ADH become President? How does he control Congress and SCOTUS? The world wants to know.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

So everyone but ADH is clinging to his coattails?

 

[onejayhawk]

You tell me since you were the one that said ADH had control of all levels over government.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

I did not say that. I was challenging the delusional boasting of the OP.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I blame Obama and Hillary !

 

[Perfection]

Pretty sure nobody in the Trump administration has ever described themselves using the word "liberal"

 

[El_Machinae]

Classical Liberalism has been soundly rejected by the Republican party. A weakened version of it has run occasionally, and has been easily defeated.

As well, 'conservatives' is not the same thing as Classical Liberalism. There might be some overlap, but they are different phenomena.

 

[Lexicus]

I could understand people thinking that classical liberalism was the main force in the Republican Party four years ago. I could even understand thinking it before the Republican Primary. I think it would have been wrong then, but it would at least have been understandable.

But now? Thinking it now, in the wake of Trump's electoral victories, is just delusional.

In any case, as I said in the post that presumably induced ADH to start this thread, the main political force uniting the Republican coalition is white supremacy. And that's been true since the 1960s.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Civil liberties and political freedom? Uh no. Supporting one amendment while taking a dump on the others does not make US conservatives fit that description.

 

[metalhead]

All rights under the constitution become disposable to Republicans whenever a minority group is empowered by them.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

All rights under the constitution become disposable to Republicans whenever a minority group is empowered by them.

Modern US conservatives have a real skewed vision of Constitutionalism. Supporting full freedom of the 2nd amendment is all that's necessary to be a Constitutionalist. Oh, that and supporting free speech of bigots and racists because, you know, hate speech doesn't infringe on minorities pursuit of happiness at all or something like that.

 

[metalhead]

But even then, when scary urban Black people were committing a lot of crime with guns and scaring white people, it was OK to ban assault weapons. ALL amendments, even the 2nd, are fully malleable if the effect is to make white people feel more secure.

 

[Gori the Grey]

1) Modern US conservatives have a real skewed vision of Constitutionalism.

2) Supporting full freedom of the 2nd amendment is all that's necessary to be a Constitutionalist.

2) plus "originalism" in judges

1) It's been fun to watch them rediscovering the value of some of the beautiful checks and balances built into our system, though.

I've shared this several times, but the most depressing moment for me during the campaign was a Trump rally soon after the Khan incident. Some protesters held up copies of the Constitution, a la Khan, and were jeered out of the auditorium to chants of U.S.A. U.S.A.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

But even then, when scary urban Black people were committing a lot of crime with guns and scaring white people, it was OK to ban assault weapons. ALL amendments, even the 2nd, are fully malleable if the effect is to make white people feel more secure.

That's the funny part. Growing up my family was conservative and my best friend's was hardcore democrat (his dad was a union steward). They had the fully loaded guncase, we had one 12-gage. He constantly talked about building a banned assault rifle out of legal parts. The flip in ideologies 20 years later is so weird to me.

 

[Broken_Erika]

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
*holds up a pair of severed bear arms*

 

[onejayhawk]

Pretty sure nobody in the Trump administration has ever described themselves using the word "liberal"

You would probably lose that bet.

But even then, when scary urban Black people were committing a lot of crime with guns and scaring white people, it was OK to ban assault weapons. ALL amendments, even the 2nd, are fully malleable if the effect is to make white people feel more secure.

Not if you have literal minded Justices. You seem to have switched positions on what sort of Judges you want to see. I thought you believed the Constitution was a framework.

J

 

[Perfection]

You would probably lose that bet.

It's probably a slight exaggeration but the antipathy for anything labeled liberal is clear.

 

[Arwon]

Usually the when the No True Scotsman fallacy gets invoked there's at least a few True Scotsmen within the set being referred to.