Things I Learned About The World Through CivV

311. The Russians AND Americans have it all wrong. Utopia is a building, and only possible through trial and error of policies.
312. Liberty+fascism=Imperialism
313. Liberty+Communism=:c5happy:
314. Genocide is not okay, so you should turn on Require complete kills.
315. All you need is a few elite units, use the rest as fodder.
316. Healthcare is not needed, because nobody ever gets sick.
317. Roads cost maintainence, but need to be carefully removed.
 
318 - Lessons learned fighting semi-human savages hand to hand in the primeval forest are just as valid when your helicopter gunships attack giant death robots 6000 years later.
 
Lets not get too of topic.
I get that topics evolve, but this strays away from the threads purpose.

Sorry to say your not going to learn about the world from CiV it is too dumbed down. You might as well rely on what you knew about the world before you began playing. Of course this is IMHO! :lol:
 
I understand what you are saying. I was kind of being smart guy for a better choice of words which will keep me out of trouble, do you know what I mean? I realize a game cannot be completely realistic and have infinite exactness to real life. However saying that there are things they could have picked up on and changed.

Let me give you an example. I am playing Empire Total War and in that game you can attach an army of 16 units to a brig or 1 ship fleet and land them in one turn near London. This would be equivalent to a checkmate in chess. Great Britain has a very good chance of losing its capital, which pretty much takes it out of the game, for the simple reason it will not be able to move enough troops from elsewhwere to protect Edinburgh and Dublin from being taken over as well. And in most cases all three cities are attacked in the same turn anyway. To me this is completely unrealistic and ETW is a simulation game, at least the battle portion of the game, which is done in real time.

That's nothing - Shogun 2 has ninjas as battlefield units, complete with such mythical elaborations as flash grenades and climbing claws. I can't find any justification for giving warrior monks firearms as a primary weapon either - their traditional weapon was the naginata halberd.

I have to admit I never kept up with the Total War series - the only other one I have is the original Medieval. Quite intrigued by the others, but then, if Empire (as I understand it an American Revolution game) actually has American militias crossing the Atlantic to invade Britain, whether they can take Edinburgh and Dublin is the least of the lapses in realism...

The thing is that games do not have to be completely illogical simulation or not. There are always improvements that can be made, but these changes do have to be applied in regards to improved gameplay. Your not going to change something if it works to improve gameplay whether illogical or not, such as the granary in CiV. I suppose there would have to be a balance between playability and logic, which is what we see from most games. In ETW though Great Britain should be a much tougher nut to crack as it was in real life.

In real life no one invaded it in the 18th Century to find out... The Dutch had a ridiculously easy time sailing up the Thames, scuttling the Royal Navy flagship and capturing Sheerness the previous century, though.

Other things like the fountain of youth you mention add a fun factor to the game.

Giant death robots add a fun factor to the game. But with so many real natural wonders to choose from I'm sure they didn't need to use two fantasy ones...

Phil
 
That's nothing - Shogun 2 has ninjas as battlefield units, complete with such mythical elaborations as flash grenades and climbing claws. I can't find any justification for giving warrior monks firearms as a primary weapon either - their traditional weapon was the naginata halberd.

I have to admit I never kept up with the Total War series - the only other one I have is the original Medieval. Quite intrigued by the others, but then, if Empire (as I understand it an American Revolution game) actually has American militias crossing the Atlantic to invade Britain, whether they can take Edinburgh and Dublin is the least of the lapses in realism...



In real life no one invaded it in the 18th Century to find out... The Dutch had a ridiculously easy time sailing up the Thames, scuttling the Royal Navy flagship and capturing Sheerness the previous century, though.

Those weapons were used by ninjas, now they may be mysterious, but not mythical.

The smoke bombs are for the pratice of metsubushi, which means "blinding power"
- the stuff that makes the "smoke screen" effect - the word actually means "sight-remover."

Ninja claws are also called shuko or neko-te, which means hands of a cat in Japanese.
Ninja claws are bars with curved spikes on them that are strapped on to the hands or feet. They are used for climbing, walking on slippery surfaces and fighting. Anyway these things do exist.

Although, you got me on the warrior monks. I suppose it is one of those specialized units to add some coolness to the game. I have a friend of mine that I play coop with and he loves his warrior monks.

Empire Total War has a three theatre grand campaign game. I took London, Edinburgh, and Dublin as France.

As for the Dutch in June of 1667. I believe I have been over this with someone else as I recall. Anyway it was a naval operation which main purpose was to start a revolution of Englishmen against their king. The other objective which was not achieved was the burning of Chatham Dockyard. If this had been accomplished, it would have been a serious blow to the English, and would have taken a very long time to rebuild. In any case the Dutch did capture the Royal Charles and Unity. The loss of the flagship was humiliating to the English Navy. The flagship of the Royal Navy became a prize ship. Which is pretty funny.

To destroy the Royal Navy and set foot on English soil with a sizeable enough army larger than a compliment of ships marines was never accomplished, because of the power of the Royal Navy. Possibly though the best chance would have been during the Spithead, Nore mutinies in 1797. To do that the English Channel had to be controlled for troop landings, also the weather had to be suitable, and no one has been able be in a position with their fleet at the right coordinated time to control the channel. Trying in many cases would equal suicide, the perfect moment seemed to never become available for such a task. However, there were many many plans, even a extraordinary scheme by Napoleon to dig a tunnel underneath the channel. But in Empire total War I accomplished this task with one fifth rate, and two sixth rate frigates, along with three armies, attacking three objectives on the same turn, and all of Great Britain and ireland was conquered in five turns of gameplay. Talk about extremely far fetched, in real life it would be impossible to do with only three small vessels for escort.

Phil I believe we are off topic, but this has been a good conversation. Thanks :)

Almost any game is dumbed down. This thread is togue-in-cheek, its supposed to be funny, not a rants thread.

CiV is a bit more dumbed down than most. Sorry to tell you but its the bygod truth do ya here?
 
Sorry to say your not going to learn about the world from CiV it is too dumbed down. You might as well rely on what you knew about the world before you began playing. Of course this is IMHO! :lol:

Almost any game is dumbed down. This thread is togue-in-cheek, its supposed to be funny, not a rants thread.
 
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319. When you take a city, you get penalized for a victory!
320. Ammunition never runs out!
321. Sun Tzu was a French general! This was a new lesson for me to realize. Though born in Paris he never could grasp chess, and constanstly wanted Chinese food. One day he went to China and learned about a chicken dish that favored him, even after he found out the main ingredient was cat. Later, back in Paris he craved the dish very fervently. He kept asking for us to get him that dish from China, but it existed not in France. We, his men asked him, "How do we get such food?" He replied, "Kill me some cats stick em in a pot and call it General Tso's chicken!" What genius this guy is. Now I can safely say that CiV taught me, NOKMIRT, where General Tso's Chicken came from. :lol:
 
In the words of my eight year old while we were playing hotseat:

322. Oh no, not Montezuma, Montezuma is evil!
 
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Quote of the Year!
OFF TOPIC

The quote of the year is when he come to visit me in the hospital in September. As he and my wife were leaving, he turned and said:

"Good night Dad...have fun with the nurses!"
 
326. I only saw Madagascar because some omnipotent being decided to put a submarine down there.
327. El Dorado is impassable: that is why nobody lives there.
328. Ghandi frowns upon war: that is why he asks you to join just before he peaces.
329. Julius Caesar was sickly looking (and he was)
330. All of our statues and momuments are obsolete.
331. GDR is the future. Gundams, Big Os, and battlezoids. Strap a chain gun onto a metal frame with hydraulics legs and let fly.
332. Ships fought in turns, without any counter-attacks.
 
But in Empire total War I accomplished this task with one fifth rate, and two sixth rate frigates, along with three armies, attacking three objectives on the same turn, and all of Great Britain and ireland was conquered in five turns of gameplay. Talk about extremely far fetched, in real life it would be impossible to do with only three small vessels for escort.

Did this too. too easy. Also did it in Napoleon.
 
Did this too. too easy. Also did it in Napoleon.

I did it in my current game of Empire in my first six turns. I took London one turn after the five turn deadline. There were several turns of rioting and revolution, especially around London. But now it is simply Norte France. I still have do some religious conversion to Cathlicism though. There is no way in hell that would work in real life.
 
I did it in my current game of Empire in my first six turns. I took London one turn after the five turn deadline. There were several turns of rioting and revolution, especially around London. But now it is simply Norte France. I still have do some religious conversion to Cathlicism though. There is no way in hell that would work in real life.

Total War?
Traitors!
:lol:

Lets not get off-topic again.
 
333. Berlin was founded before Trier.
334. ...so were Munich and Frankfurt.
335. On a related note, Trier was founded by the Germans.
336. There were no hunter/gathers, only farmers in the early times.
337. Wheat is the only grain resource in the world.
338. ...so rice cultivation had no impact on the development of civilizations in Asia.
 
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