Third Presidential Debate

Both passed up good opportunities to tear new arsehole's out of their policy proposals. Especially when Obama skirted around Palin's incompetence. I'm sure he's capable of tearing something apart gracefully.
 
Obama was pretty confident and McCain blinked a lot in his talks.
 
Is there anyone who supports a candidate but believes the other "one" has won the debate? Or any of the debates for that matter?

Any racism in this post is unintentional.
 
Does he tell you that if your employee provides you health care, it will now be counted as taxable income? That's quite a tax increase on working people. McCain is trying to bust up group negotiated premiums. Many will now have to individually negotiate and instead of having professional HR people negotiating, it will be every Joe Six Pack Plumber for himself. The insurance companies are going to make a killing in such a scenario.

In some ways, McCain's plan makes healthcare a bit more fair for everyone. Right now, people getting their health insurance through their company have a huge advantage over those who don't. The company can buy insurance packages (which is totally fair) but also doesn't have to pay tax on the health care insurance it provides. This gives it a discount on the 'perks' it gives its employees.

A $12,000 policy will be taxed at X amount. Even at 40% federal tax, the worker would be paying $4,800 in federal taxes on his health insurance from his employer. With the $5000 tax credit, he's not actually paying anything. The only people paying more under his plan are people who have a policy larger than $12,000/yr or are taxed at higher than 40%, federally. "Gold-plated plan" was a good description, need for hairplugs notwithstanding.

And now the self-employed person can also (effectively) not be taxed when he buys his insurance. McCain's plan, in that way, improves the health insurance system in America.

That all said, Obama's plan is about 10x better, since the health insurance system in America is a huge reason why healthcare in America is so expensive. A huge reason. The only subsidy (actual subsidy) in his plan is the 50% credit for the small business owner.
 
you must not post on a lot of forums on the internet. this one is p
retty right wing and has a high number of fundamentalist conservative christians.
How come site polls always show dems winning everything if this forum is conservative?
 
How come site polls always show dems winning everything if this forum is conservative?

Probably caused by the European members of CFC. Europe, generally, is more left-wing than the US. However, McCain fans can be found here too.

BTW, yesterday, there was a nice interview on Dutch radio with a McCain supporter (and member of Dutch parliament). He used to defend McCain a lot. And even better, he hammered down those we were so blindly in love with Obama. But since McCain picked Palin......., he doesn't know.

Not because of her conservative issues (In the Netherlands, being against equal rights for homosexuals really puts one in the extremists section), but simply because McCain showed very poor leadership by picking a running mate that is far far far too dumb to be VP of the US.
 
McCain showed very poor leadership by picking a running mate that is far far far too dumb to be VP of the US.

Not that intellectual abilities have ever been required for any government post of any sort, least of all Vice- and President :lol:
 
Not that intellectual abilities have ever been required for any government post of any sort, least of all Vice- and President :lol:

Despite the various jokes about George W. Bush and Dan Quayle, they are not even near the unlimited stupidity of Sarah Palin.
 
Huh? There are only a few million college students every year. I could be wrong, but I believe the exact figure is around 3 million college freshmen. Multiply 3 million by 4 for all four years, and you get 12 million. Multiply by 4 thousand and you have 50 billion dollars. That's... barely a fifteenth of what we spent on the first bailout, and could be accomplished several dozen times over by simply pulling out of Iraq.

The first bailout cost us 2.5 trillion dollars?

you must not post on a lot of forums on the internet. this one is pretty right wing and has a high number of fundamentalist conservative christians.

This site is unapologetically left wing to the extreme, which is exactly why A FEW right wing types stick out like a sour thumb.
 
This site is unapologetically left wing to the extreme, which is exactly why A FEW right wing types stick out like a sour thumb.

Left wing to the extreme... I'm assuming you count me and Lucefarul in there, who else?
 
can someone explain to me what mccains plan on healthcare was? i didnt quite absorb it all....
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In effect McCain's plan was that employers would be discouraged from continuing to provide health benefits and everyone would be responsible for going out and getting their own health insurance, except that they would have less money and less bargaining power to do it with.

It'll save employers a lot of money, and significantly increase the uninsured.

McCain claims that he'll lower the aggregate cost of healthcare, which has been increasing at about a double digit rate for the past decade or so. But I don't see how anything that he has talked about will accomplish that.
 
That's a pretty gross mischaracterisation of McCain's plan.

Geez guys, your current system is malfunctioning. But the only way to go about fixing it is to understand the political options. You can't fix it by mischaracterising it.
 
That's a pretty gross mischaracterisation of McCain's plan.

Geez guys, your current system is malfunctioning. But the only way to go about fixing it is to understand the political options. You can't fix it by mischaracterising it.

In what way?
 
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